Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BFD718AEF for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 38541 invoked by uid 500); 10 Nov 2015 15:00:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38269 invoked by uid 500); 10 Nov 2015 15:00:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38256 invoked by uid 99); 10 Nov 2015 15:00:14 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:00:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id A6678C2E7E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:00:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.88 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.88 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-us-east.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h91IUc2p7v4I for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf0-f41.google.com (mail-lf0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by mx1-us-east.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-east.apache.org) with ESMTPS id C7C6C4419E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lffz63 with SMTP id z63so49509759lff.0 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:00:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ig3ssclD74K43NzQpJmOxkrMYBvLbDz0lMBjKfhFTsM=; b=Pn6d58nwhu4F+okejGnmEvATXWU0TM0KZNclB0MSOJ32NUtQa6AkqXzmSVVB7LX6hd DxG7pA5tr+oJB/XY+WCRdnUhxUYqR7Ec9/tfjiHZeVTFgEgi1VUmnCQGTmPmov+CaYP5 NM9ee14nqKIP/6bjNW0LMa5kdW0samEO5D17kK2yTC3VSOQHCtdbDUPMy+aH2e3PdZ/y s6apwevAxe6zTiU5hijKub8elQMC3bkZdKU4tqJrPdLpJu54YHhVWxKOtcHm7vzOUiz3 0gJP1nKWFIHU5nxAPII9K3fambv/KoSjXsHN+gZsBR6x4y68q38F5+Q1WO+D2rtHpcgG OwKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.213.145 with SMTP id m139mr1826640lfg.74.1447167605595; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.213.206 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:00:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1446465555.3149570.426574697.76AAA52B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5637A2F9.2000502@zonker.net> <5637C764.9090707@zonker.net> <5637D540.1060806@zonker.net> <5637DBD6.3060306@zonker.net> <1446502283.947.427199313.71AF5988@webmail.messagingengine.com> <563E34DD.5020505@apache.org> <003701d1198f$7f38c660$7daa5320$@apache.org> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:00:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation From: Pierre Smits To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140a2ea0fee53052430f7d2 --001a1140a2ea0fee53052430f7d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That is nice! Apache pages drawn up by a member of the Apache Software Foundation with the input from many (both ASF members and others) and hosted/communicated through ASF means, and then saying that those 'are not Foundation'. And that by/through the fingers of a fellow board member.... That doesn't help mitigating the confusion building. Best regards, Pierre Smits *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace* http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > >... > > > Huh? The development of this document, > > > > < > http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > > > > > > was carried out on the dev community list over a significant period of > > time. It even provides an account for > > > And that is the key part: written by the ComDev community. Not the > Foundation. I believe Brane shares my fear that the document will become a > de facto standard/requirement across the ASF. > > Should mentors and podlines want to use it as a guide for things to > consider... great. > > But some of us will push back, if it appears it is being used as a > yardstick, rather than a guide. > > Cheers, > -g > --001a1140a2ea0fee53052430f7d2--