Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E21E18CEC for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30745 invoked by uid 500); 25 Nov 2015 20:39:47 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 30527 invoked by uid 500); 25 Nov 2015 20:39:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 30515 invoked by uid 99); 25 Nov 2015 20:39:47 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:39:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id C8968180A95 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:39:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.898 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.898 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-us-east.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9UvWZ27LySYD for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vk0-f48.google.com (mail-vk0-f48.google.com [209.85.213.48]) by mx1-us-east.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-east.apache.org) with ESMTPS id B634842AA6 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkay187 with SMTP id y187so41988443vka.3 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:39:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kowA+QNiiTdmuYB9+aB4BTiHIlMQGYv57nLoGRDNRZc=; b=tgSxOZ7xxjZVoKfqq3fVpr0z9fewTNdUDKYxwAZqAWRY8MFN3gfCcZEY/lva01mEw5 dZ47NwyWu1Q6XqSQEmLJP9D1qApSkY1j1yzyGeahW1I+XLkUKL+hl0g7pBMuDMzLVahp YWG49wVImYzzUxqnc49Cq90pH2HNO1sEMLM56tl/vE+xe06CinHvUJdU5UdtlMsdWid8 9cylOWzcuYwVpgNWqykR3AcQcjJbGR0NRV5KsFWJGVNk75n3ufnNK0eO4tUdp91vwaf0 lHJVe+A2eIVZj4UpA5zr8qEnzdAcHTvZ21a9qM62lzFq8mkkNRn0uveqvPkBZc6eao8o VJGg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.178.1 with SMTP id b1mr35414900vkf.46.1448483978930; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.148.16 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:39:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20151118003713.GI4878@tpx> <20151118015706.GK4878@tpx> <564C1F58.6040404@gmail.com> <20151122201841.GH4878@tpx> <435FC143-AAC4-457B-8DC7-60CC09786AB8@dslextreme.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:39:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...) From: Greg Stein To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114303bc06ef9f0525637572 --001a114303bc06ef9f0525637572 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Boo hoo. Todd said it wasn't about control, and then a few days later said he was forcing people into doing reviews. So yeah: in his case, it *is* about control. Over the 17 years I've been around Apache, every single time I've seen somebody attempt to justify something like RTC, it always goes back to control. Always. -g On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Andrew Purtell wrote: > I have to completely disagree and find your assertion vaguely offensive. > > > On Nov 25, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Purtell > > wrote: > >> ... > >> > >> and inherited the RTC ethic from our parent community. I did recently > test > >> the state of consensus on RTC vs CTR there and it still holds. I think > this > >> model makes sense for HBase, which is a mature (read: complex) code base > >> that implements a distributed database. For sure we want multiple sets > of > >> > > > > I call bullshit. "complex" my ass. I've said it before: all software is > > complex, and yours is no more complex than another. That is NOT a > rationale > > for installing RTC. It is an excuse for maintaining undue control. > > > > -g > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > --001a114303bc06ef9f0525637572--