Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3977C18621 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 01:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 54288 invoked by uid 500); 18 Nov 2015 01:57:21 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 54107 invoked by uid 500); 18 Nov 2015 01:57:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 54095 invoked by uid 99); 18 Nov 2015 01:57:21 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 01:57:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 94E041A0A58 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 01:57:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mx1-eu-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JCrOeBgluNN6 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 01:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.168]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 072EB21249 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 01:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.238]) by resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id ipwG1r00858ss0Y01px71e; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 01:57:07 +0000 Received: from tpx ([24.130.135.131]) by resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id ipx61r0092qGB6001px6Jx; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 01:57:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tpx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F518200AD101 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:57:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:57:06 -0800 From: Konstantin Boudnik To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...) Message-ID: <20151118015706.GK4878@tpx> References: <20151118003713.GI4878@tpx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3W6riq+uV6J42Ub" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: It's something of 'Cos X-PGP-Key: http://www.boudnik.org/~cos/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1447811827; bh=0za6V2xajsNKxfhutBFeFfYNugEFl19K5hDwogcoBhk=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d4zh9rfrzvkmJFn3rCL46ZvyxYBVN/1aJfN+RxjsP8XV0iyok7DEapHjsIH/92qdf 5tSa9OJt6gx5Uppkf/mM8/N3sLTl8odgVVQBFwav+jUQYWLbPXsXNe20J8FrkmzFVA vq8k1Qb/iu16D4YxhzKMgoDQ1oZSmf5noXxMY3fHe/76KcwH7D0lqEL+ABnkDRlCGE SkOIxZml1GbExe/eTVt8n4YyApwLhhlZf6Mdcc+zpFRe6AxjhC3aEpvQMamqG2UiEF gor/pfwmEAKiiRoCWw5RHH3flzHDhvfK6pRMwUxXU68yTgxd193XAUFNsjOBU6mkYd Xhz5YTfRNgjTw== --u3W6riq+uV6J42Ub Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 04:45PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrot= e: >=20 > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 08:53AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Ted Dunning > > wrote: > > > > ...RTC can be framed as "I don't trust you to do things right"... > > > > > > Or also "I don't trust myself 100% to do things right here and would > > > like systematic reviews of my commits". > > > > This sounds like "if I don't trust myself then no-one has to have this > > freedom/choice/ability", eh? > > >=20 > I'd never advocate that the ASF _mandate_ RTC on other projects. But if a > project community decides to set up their process as such, I don't see why > the foundation should have any issues with it. That's all I've been argui= ng > in this thread: this whole discussion has pretty much no business in the > incubator. On the contrary... The business of the Incubator and IPMC is to help podlin= gs and their communities to grok and follow the Apache Way. Trust is a foundat= ion principal of a healthy community. Hence, this whole discussion has quite a = lot of business in the incubator. Cos --u3W6riq+uV6J42Ub Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlZL2vIACgkQenyFlstYjhIDaAD/XxhtrY5G3eHwPqyqHX3eNB04 xJZ+c7tXjpPaLo2VhREBANUXwZ0PUG0eJntBaqehetib8YeewrKN3nhdWYx39+iq =nJ5E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3W6riq+uV6J42Ub--