Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22EBF1838B for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 78240 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2015 16:36:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 78017 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2015 16:36:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 78004 invoked by uid 99); 4 Nov 2015 16:36:06 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:36:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 5B3D11A2996 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:36:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mx1-us-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zEXUpVB9bpdq for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id B1E4E23038 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFC721AE6 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 11:35:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=2QTSdC4CVplDaxI YrZMY0Ps1hWc=; b=u9m1Puyj0J83HGcLjB53NJCM9A51adwS8TgH96nuhm8vUyx 3sl7S2Xoi81jD6BVTnW3dDygwJyg17WreIZ4Do1a2HYUbWdieTtkpb7HahD5gGGe hlBbaSaLwquNGmeD8L0Z5Mo67F1u0zSUQ8oYTAdgZ5GnLnAR2KYpa8k7I2yA= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 99B6310A3B2; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:35:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1446654956.1533963.429084265.368FE3CE@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: Wy4EkvWQ6iyF++VeYicopov4OwGbouFbgqvRg5HNSnLt 1446654956 From: Joe Brockmeier To: general@incubator.apache.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-341322f1 Subject: Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 11:35:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <1446465555.3149570.426574697.76AAA52B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5637A2F9.2000502@zonker.net> <5637C764.9090707@zonker.net> <5637D540.1060806@zonker.net> <5637DBD6.3060306@zonker.net> <1446502283.947.427199313.71AF5988@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > So you are -1 then. That's fine. But it gets back to my original concern. > It's artificial. I can go back to the Sentry community and say "hey, you > need some PPMC members, vote some in" and they might do it. It was > already > mentioned earlier in this thread that one of the mentors feels that a > couple of committers are ready. If they come back in a week and say "hey, > we just voted in 3 new ppmc members, now we're ready right?" you'll be > fine > with that? This is why I highlighted it as artificial. FWIW I agree with you that it's "artificial" and for a podling that's motivated to graduate (which Sentry appears to be) it's not hard to paper that over and just say "OK, if we want to graduate, let's tick this checkbox." Not having new PPMC folks is a symptom of what concerns me about Sentry. I didn't see a focus on adding committers until prodded. I don't see a focus on growing committers to become PMC members minus mentor prodding. If a project cares about sustainability and growth, shouldn't it be having these discussions? Their absence concerns me greatly. Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier jzb@zonker.net Twitter: @jzb http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org