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From Andrew Purtell <andrew.purt...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)
Date Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:00:14 GMT
And I challenge you to comb over all HBase mailing lists and JIRAs and find any instance where
we were not the model of a meritocratic and consensus driven community, or any instance where
a committer has ever been aggrieved by our practices, and especially where I as chair have
tried to exert control. It's harder to impugn people's motives if there's at least a minimal
evidentiary bar. 


> On Nov 25, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Boo hoo. Todd said it wasn't about control, and then a few days later said
> he was forcing people into doing reviews. So yeah: in his case, it *is*
> about control.
> 
> Over the 17 years I've been around Apache, every single time I've seen
> somebody attempt to justify something like RTC, it always goes back to
> control. Always.
> 
> -g
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Andrew Purtell <andrew.purtell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I have to completely disagree and find your assertion vaguely offensive.
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> and inherited the RTC ethic from our parent community. I did recently
>> test
>>>> the state of consensus on RTC vs CTR there and it still holds. I think
>> this
>>>> model makes sense for HBase, which is a mature (read: complex) code base
>>>> that implements a distributed database. For sure we want multiple sets
>> of
>>> 
>>> I call bullshit. "complex" my ass. I've said it before: all software is
>>> complex, and yours is no more complex than another. That is NOT a
>> rationale
>>> for installing RTC. It is an excuse for maintaining undue control.
>>> 
>>> -g
>> 
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