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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal
Date Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:19:47 GMT
Hi,

Todd has answered this question already - that folks will be invited
based on their contributions made during Incubation. The mentors on
this project have a history of being inclusive, so I think we’re fine
on that.

As for inviting people based on their company affiliation, this has
been dealt with plenty of times in the Incubator, most recently
Roy’s comments I believe in 2012 which summarize this - diversity,
while to be encouraged, is not a strict requirement of Incubation.

Cheers,
Chris

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-----Original Message-----
From: Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
Reply-To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 12:14 PM
To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

>My point exactly, thanks Henry!
>
>On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:51PM, Henry Saputra wrote:
>> Hi Todd,
>> 
>> One concern, other IPMCs could help correct me if I am wrong, for
>> project that already open source and accepting contributions from
>> individuals which not part of initial committers is that it needs to
>> get the consent or grant from those contributors when moving to ASF.
>> Unless, the individuals have already signed the one for Cloudera when
>> contributing to Kudu.
>> 
>> Want to make sure the software grant concern be addressed early.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> - Henry
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Todd Lipcon <todd@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Luke Han <luke.hq@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In "community" section of this proposal, there are many companies
>> >> have been mentioned including Xiaomi, Dropbox, Intel and Dremio,
>> >> and said there are contributions from them.
>> >>
>> >> I think their engineers are more interesting and be involved
>> >> in Kudu actively, why not think about to invite them to be committer
>>first?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Per earlier messages on the thread and per the proposal: because they
>> > haven't yet shown significant contributions over a sustained period.
>> > Interest is one thing, but interest is not sufficient to become a
>>committer
>> > in a meritocracy. The folks called out in the community section are
>>those
>> > who have interest and are somewhere on the path towards
>>committership, but
>> > aren't there yet. I have every hope (and expectation) that they will
>>get
>> > there if they keep up their good work.
>> >
>> > I would rather not discuss specific people's progress towards
>>committership
>> > in a public forum. Rather, I hoped that we could start with the
>>proposed
>> > committer list, and during incubation we can discuss potential new
>> > committers and PMC members following the typical ASF processes on our
>> > PPMC's private list. I'm counting on our experienced mentors to keep
>>us all
>> > honest -- they should absolutely call us out if the initial
>>committers act
>> > exclusionary or otherwise violate the ASF principles of being an
>>inclusive
>> > meritocracy.
>> >
>> > -Todd
>> 
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