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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:43:23 GMT
I don't think that's the question on the table.  Typically, podlings make
committers == PPMC members.  The reasoning being that the only thing a PPMC
member can do is vote on adding new members.  Other votes are all
non-binding (unless you're an IPMC member).  It also helps promote the
synergy needed to become a TLP, forming a strong PMC.

John

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:27 PM Lenni Kuff <lskuff@cloudera.com> wrote:

> I think there is some confusion here. The Sentry project has never
> considered Committer == PMC. The recent website change was only to help
> clarify the roles of each of the members of the project, it was not the
> result of any decision being made.
>
> Thanks,
> Lenni
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 3:03 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Lenni Kuff <lskuff@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net>
wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> * I would invite folks with access to go to Sentry's private list and
> > >>> look over discussions about adding new contributors, and discussions
> > >>> about the project in general.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I took a look.
> > >>>
> > >>> From a community growth perspective, I see them adding new
> committers,
> > >>> which is a good thing. What I don’t see is any discussion at all
> about
> > >>> adding PPMC members, nor any discussion about why they chose to go
> the
> > >>> Committer != PPMC route.
> > >>>
> > >>> In a thread related to the first new committer being added [1], it
is
> > >>> pointed out that the podling website stated that Sentry was Committer
> > ==
> > >>> PMC, but that the new member vote was only for Committer. At that
> point
> > >> it
> > >>> looks like the website was updated to reflect Committer != PMC. From
> > that
> > >>> point on, all new member votes were for Committer only, and there
> were
> > no
> > >>> discussions regarding adding new PMC members or promoting committers
> to
> > >> the
> > >>> PMC role.
> > >>>
> > >>> What I find slightly disconcerting is that there doesn’t seem to
be
> any
> > >>> consideration or discussion around growing the PPMC and why that’s
> > >>> important. Sure they have 20-odd PPMC members from the initial
> > committers
> > >>> list, so it would take a pretty large exodus to render the project
> > unable
> > >>> to function, but I don’t see anything to indicate that they
> understand
> > >> the
> > >>> function and importance of growing the PPMC.
> > >
> > > Background: I am a Sentry community member.
> > >
> > > I would have to disagree with this. We have identified lack of new PPMC
> > > members as an issue and called out in our board reports. We are also
> > > encouraging non-PPMC members to get involved in ways they can become
> PPMC
> > > members - for example, we have had non-PPMC members run two of the last
> > > Sentry releases. As mentioned earlier, it's not like there is no
> progress
> > > here, we have people who are very close (and I agree that we can do a
> > > better job discussing this on or private@ list). We are  also
> > encouraging
> > > others in the community to step up, giving them opportunities, and
> really
> > > striving to build a community around the project.
> >
> > Fair enough.
> >
> > Can you point me to the discussion where the project decided to go with
> > Committer != PMC over Committer == PMC?
> >
> > From an outsider's perspective, that decision just looks like a single
> > commit, without any public discussion, which speaks to the concerns
> others
> > have raised about decisions being made in private.
> >
> > -Taylor
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