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From "John D. Ament" <john.d.am...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 02:39:34 GMT
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:26 PM Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:17 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Actually, 5/5 releases were done without the SGA.  I'm not too worried
> > about that for a number of reasons.
> >
>
> The missing SGA was a defect in form, but not in substance.  All of the
> original code came from eBay who had a strong commitment to open sourcing
> the code as evidenced by their placing the code on github under ALS.
>
>
> > 1. We imported the full history from the original repository, the podling
> > has built upon that instead of flattening the commit.
> >
>
> ?!
>
> How is this a defect? It increases transparency.
>

The 4 items I listed aren't necessarily problems, just observations
explaining why I'm not too concerned about there being a missed/late SGA.
I actually prefer to see the full history imported for this exact reason.


>
>
> > 2. The code coming in was already AL v2 compliant, so its really a
> question
> > as to whether releases were proper.
> >
>
> Correct modulo the kinds of nits that tend to be surfaced by incubator
> reviews.
>
>
> > 3.  From continuing to look into this, I also noticed we're missing an IP
> > Clearance for the donation.  In addition, there are 31 contributors per
> > github, but the project proposal includes 8, the current roster shows 13
> +
> > 5 mentors.  So there is a potential gap related to IP.
> >
>
> All of the original contributors to the code were employees of eBay and
> thus, there was no IP problem from then. Later contributors may have been
> from outside of the committer circles, but all commits were pulled into
> Apache by a committer. The Apache push logs record exactly who brought the
> commits into Apache while commits themselves record who actually authored
> the original code. This is relatively standard for git operations at
> Apache.
>
>
> >
> > 4. We've had prior cases where podlings failed to get the SGA done
> properly
> > before starting incubation.  It happens, and as long as we can find an
> SGA
> > indicating the initial import we should be fine
>
>
> We have that.
>
>
> > Sorry, I feel like every time I dig into this I find something new. :/
> >
>
> I am sorry you get that impression.
>
> Other than the SGA (now filed, acknowledged by the project to be late in
> obsequious subsequent prostrations) and the font license (covered by the
> acks in the containing package and the overall project acknowledgements and
> difficult to mark otherwise) what new actual issues have you uncovered?
>
> My own opinion is that each of the issue you just mentioned are actually
> virtues rather than vices.
>

I think seeing a release from the podling that has no licensing issue would
be great.

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