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From Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:42:32 GMT
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, at 04:42 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> > <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net>
> wrote:
> > > > ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any PPMC
> > > members
> > > > since its inception...
> > >
> > > If that's correct I'm -1 on graduating Sentry.
> > >
> > > and earlier he wrote:
> > > > ..The model that Sentry is pursing may work very well *for the
> existing
> > > > members of the podling.* In my opinion, its process is entirely too
> > > > opaque to allow for interested parties outside of the existing
> podling
> > > > and companies interested in Sentry development to become involved...
> > >
> > > Not having added any PPMC members seems to confirm that.
> > >
> > >
> > Bertrand, imo this is a reasonable concern. I remember some discussion a
> > while back on the sentry lists about it. Note that the community has
> > highlighted it in their status reports, so it should be nothing
> > new/surprising. iirc (and I'm summarizing here, please correct me if I
> > get it wrong) the new committers have had varying levels of activity.
> Some
> > more active than others, but none that had reached ppmc status. Perhaps
> the
> > team should be more aggressive promoting folks, but I don't believe it's
> out
> > of exclusion or lack of understanding the Apache way.
>
> We generally shy away from discussing individuals on open lists w/r/t
> "this person should/shouldn't be a PPMC member" type things, so I'm not
> sure it'd be right to specifically point to any Sentry contributors as
> an example.
>
>
Understood.


> I will say I can think of at least two Sentry contributors added since
> Sentry entered incubation who seem just as active as other folks who
> came in with the podling.  When you say "reached PPMC status" I'm not
> sure there's a clear signal to me that they're less worthy than the
> folks ushered in with the podling.
>
>
If that's the case as a ppmc member/mentor why not propose them for ppmc
membership, start a discussion thread for each I mean. Perhaps others
haven't seen the same thing you have, or more likely are not as sensitive
to it. It's a great learning opportunity for the mentees.


> You said it "sounds like" making more folks PPMC members is "in the
> pipeline" - do you mean if Sentry graduates, or is there some other
> discussion I've missed where that's being pondered?
>
>
I don't know what the community might do re promoting folks as part of
graduation. I've seen graduating projects do this in the past and it's
fine. But I think that's not addressing the real concern being raised here.
That's what I was trying to get at when I said "Seems artificial to me".
This would be another such example.

"Sounds like that's in the pipeline." I mean that mentors have given
feedback in the past about increasing (new) PPMC diversity, there are a
number of new committers that at active, it's just a matter of time. I'm
not aware of any explicit discussions at this time either.

Regards,

Patrick



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>
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