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From Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 02:25:51 GMT
fwiw it's +9 by my count (24->33). Sentry is security, so by my definition
that's pretty good. ;-)

Patrick

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Joe Schaefer <joesuf4@gmail.com> wrote:

> All of our projects are primarily in the recruitment business, so it does
> concern
> me that a project that's been here for over a year and hasn't managed to
> attract
> any new talent yet has some issues that need addressing.
>
> But that said I think you might be being a little hard on these guys Joe
> for failing in
> that regard.  If your advice is being ignored that's a problem, but if it's
> not and still
> no good outcomes yet, them's the breaks.  I wouldn't consider that a
> blocker for
> graduation if so.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015, at 08:28 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > > On 11/02/2015 01:09 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > > > Joe, can we see some jira tickets that you find questionable?  Hard
> to
> > tell
> > > > what the problem is just by scanning the email traffic.
> > >
> > > I'll (again) point to the previous conversation that came out of
> David's
> > > discussion with Sentry folks at ApacheCon [1] and then the reply from
> > > Arvind which basically says he doesn't consider it an issue if the
> > > project is "following a roadmap the community does not have control
> > > over... that too is not an issue in my opinion at all." [2]
> >
> > Joe, I'd encourage you to re-read what he says there under [2]. When he
> > says "following a roadmap the community doesn't control over" he seems
> > to be paraphrasing what has previously been stated, and when he says
> > "this is not an issue" it seems to me he is saying "this is not
> > happening" rather than "this doesn't bother me". It seems to me you are
> > misrepresenting him based upon this one email.
> >
> > > It's not specific tickets - it's (again) that there appears to be a lot
> > > of discussion and planning taking place off-list, out of sight. Take
> the
> > > 1.6.0 release discussion - no roadmap discussed for 1.6.0 at all, it
> > > just appeared [3] and then within 15 minutes there's an "I agree, and
> > > I'll be release manager!" [4] message and then several +1 / "I agree"
> > > messages, and then .. done. This looks a lot to me like planning and
> > > decisions happening off-list and then a cursory "discussion" for
> > > appearance's sake.
> > >
> > > How is a person who's not tapped into the Sentry development process
> > > already supposed to get involved? How is this building community? I see
> > > the Sentry podling creating code... just not much evidence of a
> > > community outside what Sentry came in with.
> >
> > I have no comment/perspective on the rest of this.
> >
> > Upayavira
> >
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