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From Lenni Kuff <lsk...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:05:25 GMT
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> wrote:
> >
> > * I would invite folks with access to go to Sentry's private list and
> > look over discussions about adding new contributors, and discussions
> > about the project in general.
> >
> >
> > I took a look.
> >
> > From a community growth perspective, I see them adding new committers,
> > which is a good thing. What I don’t see is any discussion at all about
> > adding PPMC members, nor any discussion about why they chose to go the
> > Committer != PPMC route.
> >
> > In a thread related to the first new committer being added [1], it is
> > pointed out that the podling website stated that Sentry was Committer ==
> > PMC, but that the new member vote was only for Committer. At that point
> it
> > looks like the website was updated to reflect Committer != PMC. From that
> > point on, all new member votes were for Committer only, and there were no
> > discussions regarding adding new PMC members or promoting committers to
> the
> > PMC role.
> >
> > What I find slightly disconcerting is that there doesn’t seem to be any
> > consideration or discussion around growing the PPMC and why that’s
> > important. Sure they have 20-odd PPMC members from the initial committers
> > list, so it would take a pretty large exodus to render the project unable
> > to function, but I don’t see anything to indicate that they understand
> the
> > function and importance of growing the PPMC.
>

Background: I am a Sentry community member.

I would have to disagree with this. We have identified lack of new PPMC
members as an issue and called out in our board reports. We are also
encouraging non-PPMC members to get involved in ways they can become PPMC
members - for example, we have had non-PPMC members run two of the last
Sentry releases. As mentioned earlier, it's not like there is no progress
here, we have people who are very close (and I agree that we can do a
better job discussing this on or private@ list). We are  also encouraging
others in the community to step up, giving them opportunities, and really
striving to build a community around the project.


> >
> >
> Anyone from the community that can pitch in with more details? I realize
> the firehose that is the IPMC can be overwhelming, and often intimidating,
> but you should feel free to ensure the record is accurately reflected. :-)
>
> Patrick
>
>
> > If I’ve misinterpreted anything, please feel free to correct me.
> >
> > -Taylor
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/sentry-private/201402.mbox/%3cCAHUddLNXceMb0xnk=1GEb6tVmCshYQMFe=zCpPLgFCwGg+fokQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >
>

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