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From Sravya Tirukkovalur <sra...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:41:40 GMT
I think it is a good sign that community is volunteering to do the release
work.

Here is the formal release work starting email[1] and discussing details on
when to branch and when to release giving sufficient time for everyone who
want to get their favorite jiras in. Dapeng (RM for 1.6.0) also started a
jira[2] to track the release work in detail:


". I will say that the only Jira I've seen from outside recently
didn't exactly get a warm reception. [1] Not rejected, just radio silence."

That is not true, this is just one off instance. It has only been a week
since that jira has been created and I am sure one of us will review it
soon . But there are numerous instances where community was very welcoming
for new contributors and users[3][4][5]. In fact I feel proud to say that
community enabled many folks who filed bugs to also contribute bug fix
patches.

[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-sentry-dev/201508.mbox/%3CB957EE1AFDEBFD4B934BCF11804A23DC01EAAB06%40shsmsx102.ccr.corp.intel.com%3E
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SENTRY-857
[3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SENTRY-451
[4]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-sentry-dev/201510.mbox/%3CCAFFJ4KuhgsRONboEUxJJYtyzzf%2BZfKOwQLqFvsG3qatwpMeTiQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
[5]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-sentry-dev/201510.mbox/%3Ctencent_5A5F4B2F10FFFE75127C4091%40qq.com%3E


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> wrote:

> On 11/02/2015 03:57 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote:
> > I see this (the release discussion threads you linked) as a semi-mature
> > community that's well aligned. A number of folks responded to the request
> > for discussion and said they were in favor. It was done on the ML in the
> > open. What more do we want? I don't see anyone excluded and I'm sure if
> > there was a new person looking to get involved they would have been
> > welcomed into the discussion, no one is being turned away from what I can
> > see.
>
> No one is being turned away, that I've noticed, but I really don't see
> how anyone is supposed to follow along if they're not part of the team
> already. I will say that the only Jira I've seen from outside recently
> didn't exactly get a warm reception. [1] Not rejected, just radio silence.
>
> I'm also sad to see that being held up as a standard by other mentors.
> My understanding is that projects should be attempting to create a
> community that is open, and trying to self-perpetuate. Sure, you can't
> do that if you turn people away actively - but you also can't do that by
> having conversations offlist and having an opaque process that newcomers
> can't follow along with.
>
> I'll say again - maybe my standards are improperly calibrated. If so,
> and "not actively turning people away" is the standard we're going
> for... that's disappointing as all heck.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SENTRY-934
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> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
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Sravya Tirukkovalur

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