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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)
Date Wed, 25 Nov 2015 02:11:30 GMT
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 02:00AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> The suggestion is to add it to the proposal template - that's before incubation starts.

I think this is a great idea!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:niall.pemberton@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:49 PM
> To: general-incubator <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nobody is forcing anything.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I am saying RTC is destructive, and am willing to give
> > every
> > > > podling that message.
> > >
> > > If it is truly destructive, SHOULDN'T you/we be trying to force 
> > > something?  And if not, doesn't that mean that it isn't really all 
> > > that destructive?
> > >
> >
> > I believe that I represent a minority position, so no... I'm not going 
> > to suggest changes. I wish to forestall more projects falling into the 
> > RTC trap, but (at the moment) don't believe that it makes sense to 
> > attempt to apply mandates against RTC upon existing communities.
> >
> >
> > >  As a Director, would you consider stop approving reports from ASF 
> > > projects that operate under a RTC model?  If not, aren't you sending 
> > > a mixed message?
> > >
> >
> > I have thought about this, yes. Maybe add a question to the proposal 
> > template, on what form they're thinking about (and where I could 
> > debate the proposal against RTC). And maybe debate podlings who want 
> > to graduate under RTC.
> >
> 
> I think this is too late - if you want to debate it, then it needs to be when projects
enter incubation. By the time they're ready to graduate then
> (presumably) things are already going well and theres less impetus to change.
> 
> Niall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > But as a Director, if the community is producing releases, then I find 
> > it difficult to point to RTC as a problem for that community. It is an 
> > unprovable position: there is no way to state their community could be 
> > better off under CTR.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > - Sam Ruby
> > >
> > > P.S.  To be clear: I am not a fan of RTC when applied to 
> > > release.next branches.
> >
> >
> > I'd appreciate your explanation of this, as "most" CTR communities 
> > apply RTC to a branch as they prepare a release. What disturbs you 
> > about this approach?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >

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