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From Nick Kew <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] OpenMiracl for Incubation
Date Tue, 24 Nov 2015 08:31:49 GMT
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 07:43 +0000, Brian Spector wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> thanks for everyone's feedback and Sterling thank you for graciously coming
> on board as an additional mentor.
> 
> I'd like to propose that the proposed Apache OpenMiracl incubation project
> be renamed to Apache Milagro.

Thanks.  That looks to me like a solution to the concerns
expressed in this thread.

This proposal still needs more mentors.
Anyone here interested in advancing the project?

FWIW, I blogged a couple of days ago about the background to
my own involvement in this:
https://bahumbug.wordpress.com/2015/11/22/identity-and-trust/

-- 
Nick Kew

> 
> A Milagro is a charm that is used to bring about a miracle, so the subtext
> hopefully will carry the day.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milagro_(votive)
> 
> Alex, thanks for getting the ball rolling on this line of thinking.
> 
> We've filed on the trademarks for these which will assign in totality to
> the Apache Foundation. The EU marks should be cleared shortly and from
> which can be used to get worldwide marks.
> 
> If anyone has any objection or comments, could you please let us know?
> 
> Thanks
> Brian
> 
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Patrick Hilt <patrick.hilt@miracl.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Greg,
> > thanks for the input. We definitely appreciate it. We currently discussing
> > that internally and it’s great to hear from someone who has been through
> > this. The approach you took    with HAWQ is quite interesting.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Patrick
> >
> > Patrick Hilt
> > Chief Technology Officer
> > MIRACL
> >
> > > On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Gregory Chase <gchase@pivotal.io> wrote:
> > >
> > > Having been through this twice now with "Pivotal GemFire" begatting
> > "Apache
> > > Geode" and "Pivotal HAWQ" becoming "Apache HAWQ"....
> > >
> > > If the current owner intends to allow infringement on the MIRACL brand
> > as a
> > > policy by any user of Apache Miracl, then that should be ok.  In effect
> > > they will be putting "MIRACL" into the public domain.
> > >
> > > If the owner intends to license "MIRACL" for Apache's use only - how does
> > > this extend to Apache's users?
> > >
> > > For my company, we decided it was better to ensure the commercial
> > > distribution and the Apache projects did not infringe on each others
> > > brands.  And we have done both approaches:  suggest a new brand for
> > Apache,
> > > and give an existing brand to Apache and rebrand the commercial
> > > distribution.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Nick Kew <niq@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 08:48 +0900, Brian Spector wrote:
> > >>> Hi Alex, thank you for the suggestion, but from our point of view,
as I
> > >>> outlined below, we would disadvantage the project as a whole by not
> > >> having
> > >>> the MIRACL name in it.
> > >>>
> > >>> At the same time, I completely understand the concern that a company
> > who
> > >>> creates a product based on OpenMiracl might feel themselves
> > disadvantaged
> > >>> by having to state an attribution 'based on Apache OpenMiracl' while
> > >>> MIRACL, the company, sells a product called Datacenter Cryptosystem
> > will
> > >>> also say 'based on Apache OpenMiracl'. We get that.
> > >>
> > >> If folks are uneasy about OpenMiracl, how far does that extend?
> > >> Would (for example) a name taking the "Mira" stem be sufficiently
> > >> distinct for those expressing concerns here?  For example,
> > >> Mirabile (Latin pronunciation) kind-of offers an element of
> > >> historic continuity through the linguistic association with
> > >> the miracle.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Nick Kew
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Chase
> > >
> > > Director of Big Data Communities
> > > http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
> > >
> > > Pivotal Software
> > > http://www.pivotal.io/
> > >
> > > 650-215-0477
> > > @GregChase
> > > Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
> >
> >



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