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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Mon, 02 Nov 2015 23:15:54 GMT


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015, at 08:28 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 11/02/2015 01:09 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > Joe, can we see some jira tickets that you find questionable?  Hard to tell
> > what the problem is just by scanning the email traffic.
> 
> I'll (again) point to the previous conversation that came out of David's
> discussion with Sentry folks at ApacheCon [1] and then the reply from
> Arvind which basically says he doesn't consider it an issue if the
> project is "following a roadmap the community does not have control
> over... that too is not an issue in my opinion at all." [2]

Joe, I'd encourage you to re-read what he says there under [2]. When he
says "following a roadmap the community doesn't control over" he seems
to be paraphrasing what has previously been stated, and when he says
"this is not an issue" it seems to me he is saying "this is not
happening" rather than "this doesn't bother me". It seems to me you are
misrepresenting him based upon this one email.

> It's not specific tickets - it's (again) that there appears to be a lot
> of discussion and planning taking place off-list, out of sight. Take the
> 1.6.0 release discussion - no roadmap discussed for 1.6.0 at all, it
> just appeared [3] and then within 15 minutes there's an "I agree, and
> I'll be release manager!" [4] message and then several +1 / "I agree"
> messages, and then .. done. This looks a lot to me like planning and
> decisions happening off-list and then a cursory "discussion" for
> appearance's sake.
> 
> How is a person who's not tapped into the Sentry development process
> already supposed to get involved? How is this building community? I see
> the Sentry podling creating code... just not much evidence of a
> community outside what Sentry came in with.

I have no comment/perspective on the rest of this.

Upayavira

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