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Subject: Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion
From: Jim Jagielski <jim@jaguNET.com>
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Agreed. My only comment would be that I still think that the
optimal number of mentors is 1.

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
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> It's not activity on the dev list, or even report signoffs, that
> matter most. Podlings, especially new podlings, have lots and lots of
> questions, especially about infrastructure. Without at least two
> responsive mentors to field those questions you feel like banging your
> head on the wall. And you start wondering why you left the comfort and
> convenience of github and whether Apache itself is fascinated by its
> own brand.
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> Before you ask, you won't get podlings to send their questions to
> another list, because we're all too proud to ask questions which in
> retrospect always turn out to be dumb questions.
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> It's not possible to measure that kind of mentor activity, so I think
> people are inclined to measure the "public" forms of activity as proxy
> indicators.
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> Julian
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> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> =
wrote:
>> For me, I consider being a mentor as I do being a member of a PMC.
>> Occasionally one simply lacks cycles to be actively involved, but
>> one is involve enough to see that others *ARE* involved, and so I
>> am "unconcerned" about my inactivity during those times.
>>=20
>> My understanding is that this is OK and its one of the reasons
>> why we *have* multiple mentors.
>>=20
>> "Shaming" inactive mentors would be akin to "shaming" PMC members who
>> didn't post on the dev@ list this month, or who didn't vote on a =
release
>> or etc...
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>> I am not, of course, referring to mentors who are truly MIA month in =
and
>> month out. But, as someone said, if you remove those from the =
equation,
>> the list of "active" mentors is pretty constant.
>>=20
>> So the question is "Is there a difference or problem between a =
podling
>> with 10 mentors, of which 4 are 'active', as compared to a podling =
with
>> 4 mentors, all of which are 'active'"??
>>=20
>>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> =
wrote:
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>>>>> Sounds like reaching out to the inactive mentors is a great idea =
and I
>>>>> think we have a great example here of how complicated it can be.
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>>>> Nope.  I posted that link knowing that my name would be on it, and
>>>> advocated that we should be having exactly this discussion.  I =
should
>>>> either become more active on this, or (and probably more likely)
>>>> remove myself as a mentor for this podling.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> And possibly by so doing become a great example to others of us who =
can't
>>> admit to ourselves that we are over-extended.
>>=20
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