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From Atri Sharma <atri.j...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Concerted Proposal
Date Tue, 06 Oct 2015 18:57:47 GMT
Thanks for your opinion.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org> wrote:

> I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
> active role in technical questions.


I agree for that and I understand that we are not looking for technical
mentoring. However, if our mentors are wishing to help us in that manner,
we will be more than happy.

Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping
> the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more
> interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand.
>

I respectfully disagree. I think the motivation here is not attracting more
people into the community using Apache brand but manage existing and future
community using Apache processes. I believe that managing our community
with the Apache way is a better way of handling the community and that is
what we mean when we say that the community management process is easier
and healthier with Apache way.

For the visibility side, we believe that the biggest advantage Concerted
will have is that it will have a chance to be directed and helped by big
data projects which are end user targets for Concerted. The primary target
for Concerted is to be support engine platform for big data projects and
Apache Big Data projects are the biggest use cases that we see. Hence, we
see the project as a liable candidate for ASF project and since we aim to
have Concerted be in sync with needs and use cases for Apache Big Data
projects, it seems logical to have Concerted as an ASF project early on and
be able to start helping Apache Big Data projects. Community development in
this case only means the potential direction or support project might get
from Apache Big Data projects that might be interested in Concerted. I
assure you that it is not a translation of excessive fascination with
Apache brand for us. If we are incorrect please correct us.


> In
> the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces quite
> some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early
> stage.
>
> But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just
> that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the best!
>

Thank you.

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nupurs@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>
> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help when
> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
> and
> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the primary
> in
> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will generate
> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
> in a
> > much better manner.
> >
> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to be
> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
> projects.
> >
> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now, I
> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
> > development of Concerted.
> >
> > Nupur
> >
> >
> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> >
> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
> >>
> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
> >> alignment
> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
> >> ability
> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
> >> building for each user project.
> >>
> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
> >> Apache
> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
> early
> >> on.
> >>
> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
> >> ASF
> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
> want
> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
> >> manage it in a much better manner.
> >>
> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
> Apache
> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
> >>
> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
> >> like
> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
> >> aims
> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
> big
> >> data projects.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Atri
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
> role
> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github,
> >>> and
> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project
> in
> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
> >>>> don't
> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
> >>>> problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
> >>>> >    https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
> >>>> >
> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
> >>>> > and the state of technology.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks,
> >>>> > Roman.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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-- 
Regards,

Atri
*l'apprenant*

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