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From Atri Sharma <atri.j...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Concerted Proposal
Date Fri, 09 Oct 2015 16:15:10 GMT
Hi All,

Proposal is posted for voting.

Please vote.

Regards,

Atri

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have posted proposal in Discuss thread.
>
> Please provide your contributions there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your opinion.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
>>> active role in technical questions.
>>
>>
>> I agree for that and I understand that we are not looking for technical
>> mentoring. However, if our mentors are wishing to help us in that manner,
>> we will be more than happy.
>>
>> Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping
>>> the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more
>>> interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand.
>>>
>>
>> I respectfully disagree. I think the motivation here is not attracting
>> more people into the community using Apache brand but manage existing and
>> future community using Apache processes. I believe that managing our
>> community with the Apache way is a better way of handling the community and
>> that is what we mean when we say that the community management process is
>> easier and healthier with Apache way.
>>
>> For the visibility side, we believe that the biggest advantage Concerted
>> will have is that it will have a chance to be directed and helped by big
>> data projects which are end user targets for Concerted. The primary target
>> for Concerted is to be support engine platform for big data projects and
>> Apache Big Data projects are the biggest use cases that we see. Hence, we
>> see the project as a liable candidate for ASF project and since we aim to
>> have Concerted be in sync with needs and use cases for Apache Big Data
>> projects, it seems logical to have Concerted as an ASF project early on and
>> be able to start helping Apache Big Data projects. Community development in
>> this case only means the potential direction or support project might get
>> from Apache Big Data projects that might be interested in Concerted. I
>> assure you that it is not a translation of excessive fascination with
>> Apache brand for us. If we are incorrect please correct us.
>>
>>
>>> In
>>> the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces
>>> quite
>>> some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early
>>> stage.
>>>
>>> But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just
>>> that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the
>>> best!
>>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nupurs@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
>>> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
>>> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help
>>> when
>>> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
>>> and
>>> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the
>>> primary in
>>> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
>>> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will
>>> generate
>>> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
>>> in a
>>> > much better manner.
>>> >
>>> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to
>>> be
>>> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
>>> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
>>> projects.
>>> >
>>> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while
>>> now, I
>>> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the
>>> main
>>> > development of Concerted.
>>> >
>>> > Nupur
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve
at
>>> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it
>>> is,
>>> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is
>>> having
>>> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a
>>> much
>>> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
>>> >> alignment
>>> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
>>> >> ability
>>> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of
>>> custom
>>> >> building for each user project.
>>> >>
>>> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator
>>> is
>>> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set
>>> of
>>> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
>>> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then
>>> allow
>>> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
>>> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data
>>> engines
>>> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
>>> >> Apache
>>> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
>>> early
>>> >> on.
>>> >>
>>> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
>>> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with
>>> other
>>> >> ASF
>>> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
>>> want
>>> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community
>>> and
>>> >> manage it in a much better manner.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
>>> Apache
>>> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
>>> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
>>> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
>>> >> like
>>> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
>>> >> aims
>>> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building
>>> framework,
>>> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the
>>> existing
>>> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
>>> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the
>>> existing
>>> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
>>> big
>>> >> data projects.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thoughts?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Atri
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
>>> role
>>> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at
>>> github,
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the
>>> project in
>>> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project.
I
>>> >>>> don't
>>> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group
is a
>>> >>>> problem.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> > Hi!
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>>> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>>> >>>> >    https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>>> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>>> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>>> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>>> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>>> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>>> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>>> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>>> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>>> >>>> > and the state of technology.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Thanks,
>>> >>>> > Roman.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
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>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
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>>> >>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sergio Fernández
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>>> Redlink GmbH
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>> *l'apprenant*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Atri
> *l'apprenant*
>



-- 
Regards,

Atri
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