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From Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Sat, 10 Oct 2015 18:16:53 GMT
10x to what Chris said, put much better than I could.

We all wear multiple hats, can't tell you the number of times I've worn my
Apache hat in the office, in some cases to my own detriment there. If I
weren't associated with the project at Apache that representation would be
missing. So really it cuts both ways.

Patrick


On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> So here’s my elaboration.
>
> The proposal below would have prevented me from ever helping
> projects to the ASF and convincing them that it may be a good
> home for them. I’ve always had financial ties to a project’s
> Incubation status. In many cases, projects being at the ASF,
> and my involvement in them has assisted my mission of doing
> scientific research and helping win proposals and so forth for
> NASA and other agencies.
>
> Further, I’ve many times been at the same institution in which
> the project has originated from before the ASF.
>
> I think I’ve done a good job on the projects I’ve helped to
> bring here and they have been successful too and have overall
> benefitted the ASF.
>
> This rings to me very similar to Roy’s email circa 2012 I believe
> in which in the Incubator we tried to force the diversity requirement
> as a graduation requirement, and Roy succinctly explained that we
> can’t punish e.g., a podling for having people all from the same
> institution. That would punish that institution for hiring folks
> for open source who work on code at the ASF. Diversity is always
> a strong property of a podling as I feel it makes it more resilient
> but it’s not a hard requirement. I feel the same thing in this thread.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Friday, October 9, 2015 at 5:14 PM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
>
> >I do not agree with this proposal I will elaborate more later
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Incubator folks,
> >>
> >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> >> incubating podlings:
> >>
> >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> >> status.
> >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
> >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission
> >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code
> >> (company or original project community)
> >>
> >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty
> >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind
> >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement.
> >>
> >> This would essentially mean:
> >>
> >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is
> >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote
> >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement.
> >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
> >> mentor it nor vote for/against it.
> >>
> >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is
> >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would
> >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator
> >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential
> >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of
> >> mentoring if adopted.
> >>
> >> With regards,
> >> Daniel
> >>
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