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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion
Date Wed, 14 Oct 2015 13:10:16 GMT
If it can work, that is very good. With intermittent availability, I have
often seen the need for a spare.



On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:

> Agreed. My only comment would be that I still think that the
> optimal number of mentors is 1.
>
> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > It's not activity on the dev list, or even report signoffs, that
> > matter most. Podlings, especially new podlings, have lots and lots of
> > questions, especially about infrastructure. Without at least two
> > responsive mentors to field those questions you feel like banging your
> > head on the wall. And you start wondering why you left the comfort and
> > convenience of github and whether Apache itself is fascinated by its
> > own brand.
> >
> > Before you ask, you won't get podlings to send their questions to
> > another list, because we're all too proud to ask questions which in
> > retrospect always turn out to be dumb questions.
> >
> > It's not possible to measure that kind of mentor activity, so I think
> > people are inclined to measure the "public" forms of activity as proxy
> > indicators.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >> For me, I consider being a mentor as I do being a member of a PMC.
> >> Occasionally one simply lacks cycles to be actively involved, but
> >> one is involve enough to see that others *ARE* involved, and so I
> >> am "unconcerned" about my inactivity during those times.
> >>
> >> My understanding is that this is OK and its one of the reasons
> >> why we *have* multiple mentors.
> >>
> >> "Shaming" inactive mentors would be akin to "shaming" PMC members who
> >> didn't post on the dev@ list this month, or who didn't vote on a
> release
> >> or etc...
> >>
> >> I am not, of course, referring to mentors who are truly MIA month in and
> >> month out. But, as someone said, if you remove those from the equation,
> >> the list of "active" mentors is pretty constant.
> >>
> >> So the question is "Is there a difference or problem between a podling
> >> with 10 mentors, of which 4 are 'active', as compared to a podling with
> >> 4 mentors, all of which are 'active'"??
> >>
> >>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Sounds like reaching out to the inactive mentors is a great idea
and
> I
> >>>>> think we have a great example here of how complicated it can be.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope.  I posted that link knowing that my name would be on it, and
> >>>> advocated that we should be having exactly this discussion.  I should
> >>>> either become more active on this, or (and probably more likely)
> >>>> remove myself as a mentor for this podling.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And possibly by so doing become a great example to others of us who
> can't
> >>> admit to ourselves that we are over-extended.
> >>
> >>
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