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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Not just yet
Date Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:52:35 GMT
Indeed, the month delay in consideration is exactly an opportunity to
correct the resolutions technical defects.



On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I was a reply to your message, but it was not pointed at you. Seriously.
> Maybe the "curious" part a bit, because you asked. We know however from
> experience that there are many other people who are curious what happens
> when unusual events like this take place and even a few, as I called them
> "conspiracy theorists".
>
> Normally I wouldn't write such a reply, but I wanted to take the
> opportunity to also point the positive (because the negatives are so often
> debated at length), which is the fact that board actually was accommodating
> and offered the opportunity for correction. Just to paint a clearer picture
> of the *people* behind board@.
>
> So concerns like the ones you raised are, from my point of view, very
> welcome. Especially as they come in the right tone. They create
> opportunities for learning for lurkers.
>
> Cheers,
> Hadrian
>
>
>
> On 10/22/2015 11:13 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015 8:05 AM, "Hadrian Zbarcea" <hzbarcea@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For the curious and conspiracy theorists :) let me complete the picture.
>>>
>>> I did actually attend the board meeting as I usually do and the board was
>>>
>> gracious enough to give me a couple of minutes to correct the resolution.
>> Unfortunately, whimsy wouldn't save the corrected resolution, for a reason
>> I don't yet understand. I went a second round with svn, but ran out of
>> time.
>>
>>>
>>> Looks like I got the graduation gods really angry. This is not what a
>>>
>> podling should expect from an ASF member.
>>
>> I'll assume that this was pointed to me.  If your email was clearer I
>> wouldn't have been confused about scope.  I apologize for any concerns
>> this
>> raised.
>>
>> Note that I never said you needed a revote.  It wasn't clear that this
>> came
>> out of the board, in the past when we had failed graduations it never made
>> it back to the incubator.
>>
>>
>>> Hadrian
>>>
>>> On 10/22/2015 07:03 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah ha.  It wasn't clear from the original email this happened during the
>>>> board meeting.  Now I get it.
>>>> On Oct 21, 2015 23:09, "Marvin Humphrey" <marvin@rectangular.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that's my point.  Those two weeks should be used to get
>>>>>>
>>>>> incubator
>>
>>> approval.  If you wait 4 weeks you don't graduate until December.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Incubator isn't going to vote again.  The text of the graduation
>>>>> resolution from an Incubator recommendation is advisory and the Board
>>>>> often modifies it. (The Incubator gets the text wrong embarrassingly
>>>>> often.)  The Board passing a resolution to establish a TLP is the
>>>>> crucial step from the standpoint of the Foundation as a corporate
>>>>> entity.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's regrettable that the glitch was not caught until there was little
>>>>> time left during today's meeting, but resolutions are powerful tools
>>>>> and it's important to get the language right. The Foundation's bylaws
>>>>> constrain the Board's ability to act -- it's not supposed to be easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marvin Humphrey
>>>>>
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