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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Concerted Proposal
Date Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:45:25 GMT
Always!

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com> wrote:

> If Incubator PMC sees fit, can I move this  thread to a discuss thread to
> discuss accepting of Concerted into ASF Incubator?
> On 5 Oct 2015 14:24, <nupurs@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>
> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help when
> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
> and
> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the primary
> in
> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will generate
> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
> in a
> > much better manner.
> >
> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to be
> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
> projects.
> >
> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now, I
> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
> > development of Concerted.
> >
> > Nupur
> >
> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> >
> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
> >>
> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
> >> alignment
> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
> >> ability
> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
> >> building for each user project.
> >>
> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
> >> Apache
> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
> early
> >> on.
> >>
> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
> >> ASF
> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
> want
> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
> >> manage it in a much better manner.
> >>
> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
> Apache
> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
> >>
> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
> >> like
> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
> >> aims
> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
> big
> >> data projects.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Atri
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
> role
> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github,
> >>> and
> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project
> in
> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
> >>>> don't
> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
> >>>> problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
> >>>> >    https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
> >>>> >
> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
> >>>> > and the state of technology.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks,
> >>>> > Roman.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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