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From Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Subject Re: Starting from the other end
Date Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:27:25 GMT
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> Inline
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > We have just had a few interminable threads regarding what is wrong with
>> > incubator and jumping directly to implementation attempts for changes.
>> ...
>> >
>> > To do this, I am going to start a google doc to describe WHAT the
>> incubator
>> > is supposed to do (easier to edit than a wiki) and once that document
>> > stabilizes a bit will move it to the wiki.
>> >
>> > That document should be able to let us move to similar efforts to
>> describe
>> > HOW the incubator currently works.  I would hope that one side effect of
>> > this second stage would be to pull together current documentation on the
>> > current incubator.
>> ...
>>
>>
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dxUVHGWcj83wIVnskYL7iM7PiiScLLNS4HjGHa6LsgA/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> I've reviewed the document and left a couple of comments. Feel free
>> to incorporate the suggestions in the main text.
>>
>> In my view this document achieves the goal of stating things that
>> we can all agree on as to what Incubator should be doing. It works
>> great as a doc you can put on the front page of incubator.apache.org.
>>
>
> Good.
>
>
>> What it currently lacks is specifics on how are we going to make
>> sure that all the right things that this document postulates actually
>> happen. There's not explanation of checks-n-balances.
>>
>
> Right.  If you read my original posting above, you will see that this
> document was intended to express intent, but not method.
>
>
>> So, for example (just to pick a random spot) when we talk about "The
>> Apache Incubator's
>> function at this point  is..." I think we can all agree on what the
>> function is
>> but what is the process that guarantees that that functions succeeds is the
>> million dollar question.
>>
>
> Well, starting with the easy questions is a good place to get consensus.
> That was the point here.
>
>
>> Ted, was it your intent to first get an agreement on *what* we all expect
>> from the Incubator and then follow up on *how* are these expectations
>> going to be met by our current policies?
>>
>
> I think that is what I said in my original posting and in the preamble of
> this document.
>
> Was it somehow unclear?

What was unclear is the timing on when do we get to talk about those
million dollar questions and in what format. I guess now that I've commented
on this thread, I'll wait for the follow up.

Thanks,
Roman.

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