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From Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:51:35 GMT
We should address perceived, and certainly provable, instances of
corruption at the Foundation directly, rather than prescribe policy that
seeks to prevent future instances as if there is a precedent (but there
isn't one here... at least one not spoken aloud, right?).

> A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
status.

Aside from deviating greatly from treating mentors and all other persons as
individuals, for verification purposes this would require a level of
intrusive financial reporting that we don't remotely approach today and to
which most members would probably object.

> A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission

None of this is well defined.

> If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
mentor it nor vote for/against it.

‚ÄčThis diminishes the pool of available mentors and in particular those
probably most vested in the success of the podling.‚Äč




On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Incubator folks,
>
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
>
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> status.
> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission
> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code
> (company or original project community)
>
> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty
> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind
> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement.
>
> This would essentially mean:
>
> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is
> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote
> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement.
> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
> mentor it nor vote for/against it.
>
> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is
> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind.
>
>
> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would
> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator
> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential
> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of
> mentoring if adopted.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel
>
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-- 
Best regards,

   - Andy

Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)

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