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From Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Draft Report October 2015 - please review
Date Tue, 13 Oct 2015 02:57:07 GMT
Please add Brooklyn to the Graduations section. It's already added to 
the Board agenda.

Thanks,
Hadrian

On 10/12/2015 03:11 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> Incubator PMC report for October 2015
>
> The Apache Incubator is the entry path into the ASF for projects and
> codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts.
>
> There are 44 podlings currently undergoing incubation.
>
> * Community
>
>    New IPMC members:
>
>    - Josh Elser
>    - Sterling Hughes
>
> * New Podlings
>
>    - MADlib
>    - Rya
>    - Unomi
>
> * Graduations
>
>    The board has motions for the following:
>
      - Brooklyn
>    - Calcite
>
> * Releases
>
>    The following releases were made since the last Incubator report:
>
>    - 2015-09-06 Apache Kylin 1.0-incubating
>    - 2015-09-14 Apache Brooklyn 0.8.0-incubating
>    - 2015-09-14 Apache HTrace-4.0.0-incubating
>    - 2015-09-15 Apache TinkerPop 3.0.1-incubating
>    - 2015-09-16 Apache Groovy 2.4.5-incubating
>    - 2015-09-21 Apache Sentry-1.6.0-incubating
>    - 2015-09-22 Apache AsterixDB Hyracks 0.2.16-incubating
>
> * IP Clearance
>
>    - Raytheon BBN Technologies Corp donated POI Visio, an extension module for
>      Apache POI. It adds support for the Microsoft Visio .vsdx xml-based file
>      format. (Current Apache POI Visio support only handled the older binary
>      .vsd format). Post-import, the component will be known as XDGF.
>
> * Infrastructure
>
>    - It seems that an incorrect date in the Board meeting calendar caused the
>      report reminders to fire a week early, requiring manual cleanup after the
>      correct date was established.  There was discussion of migrating the
>      reminders and other Incubator bookkeeping to Whimsy.
>
> * Miscellaneous
>
>    - At the height of Corinthia's crisis, several committers resigned.  The
>      mailing lists have since gone silent.  Some IPMC members followed up but
>      those efforts do not appear to have been successful.
>    - A vote to retire the Droids podling is pending.
>    - Various proposals to change the Incubator have been discussed on
>      general@incubator.  The one generating the most responses, mostly in
>      opposition, is a proposal which would lessen the role of Mentors with
>      business affiliations to podlings during Incubator entry and exit votes.
>      None of the other proposals have gotten any traction.
>    - A proposal regarding the Incubator formulated during ApacheCon EU was
>      discussed on board@apache.
>
> * Credits
>
>    - Report Manager: Marvin Humphrey
>
> -------------------- Summary of podling reports --------------------
>
> * Still getting started at the Incubator
>
>    - HAWQ
>    - MADlib
>
> * Not yet ready to graduate
>
>    No release:
>
>    - Apex
>    - FreeMarker
>    - Geode
>    - Myriad
>    - OpenAZ
>
> * Ready to graduate
>
>    - Groovy
>
>    The Board has motions for the following:
>
>    - Calcite
>
> * Did not report, expected next month
>
>    - BatchEE
>    - Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer (2 months late)
>    - Cotton (2 months late)
>    - DataFu
>    - HORN
>    - ODF Toolkit
>    - Ripple (4 months late)
>
> * Report reviewed but not signed off by Mentors, expected next month
>
>    - Wave
>
> * Likely to retire
>
>    - Droids
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>                         Table of Contents
> Apex
> FreeMarker
> Geode
> Groovy
> HAWQ
> MADlib
> Myriad
> ODF Toolkit
> OpenAz
> Wave
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --------------------
> Apex
>
> Apex is an enterprise grade native YARN big data-in-motion platform that
> unifies stream processing as well as batch processing.
>
> Apex has been incubating since 2015-08-17.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    1. Release Apex-Core, and Apex-Malhar at least twice.
>    2. Grow contributors beyond the initial set.
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    None. Thanks for continual support.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    The community is very engaged with the development of the project. There
>    have been 485 messages on dev@.
>
>    The community voted and selected the APEX logo which is put on the brand
>    new project website at http://apex.incubator.apache.org/
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    Various metrics are as follows:
>    +---------------------------------------------------+
>    |   Metric                         | Core  | Malhar |
>    +---------------------------------------------------+
>    | Non Merge Commits                |  88   |   33   |
>    | Contributors                     |  17   |    9   |
>    | Jira Issues                      |  94   |   30   |
>    | Resolved Issues                  |  30   |    4   |
>    +---------------------------------------------------+
>
>    The project is still using the Atlassian instance of JIRA. The migration to
>    Apache JIRA is underway.
>
>    The first release of the project under ASF banner (3.2.0) is targeted to be
>    branched off at the end of September.
>
> Date of last release:
>
>    No release under ASF-Incubation code base as yet. Apex-Core, Apex-Malhar
>    were last launched on July end in pre Apache days.
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>    Committers and Mentors came about via incubation proposal.
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [X](apex) Chris Nauroth
>    [ ](apex) Alan Gates
>    [X](apex) Hitesh Shah
>    [X](apex) Justin Mclean
>    [X](apex) P. Taylor Goetz
>    [ ](apex) Ted Dunning
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
> FreeMarker
>
> FreeMarker is a template engine, i.e. a generic tool to generate text output
> based on templates. FreeMarker is implemented in Java as a class library for
> programmers.
>
> FreeMarker has been incubating since 2015-07-01.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    1. Finding contributors
>    2. Do the first release from ASF
>    3. Further infrastructure migrations (move issues to Jira, web site)
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    None
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    There's no significant change since the last month.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    The IP clearance process is now complete given that:
>
>    1) Software License Agreements have been collected (and have been filed by
>       the ASF Secretary) for the former copyright owners that are no more
>       active and involved in the project.
>    2) Contributor License Agreements have been collected (and have been filed
>       by the ASF Secretary) for the main contributors of the project, that are
>       now committers of the incubating project
>    3) Notices in the project mailing lists and website have been published to
>       announce that the project is now incubating at ASF and to invite
>       potential contributors to participate in the new home
>    4) License headers have been updated to reflect the new copyright
>
>    Git repositories were migrated to ASF, and development now goes at ASF.
>
>    GitHub integration was configured so that we can receive pull requests.
>
>    Mailing lists were officially moved over to ASF
>
>    Jira was created and marked as the official issue tracker, though old
>    issues weren't yet migrated.
>
> Date of last release:
>
>    There was no release from the Incubator yet
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>    We only have the initial committers and initial PMC members yet.
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [X](freemarker) Jacopo Cappellato
>    [ ](freemarker) Jean-Frederic Clere
>    [ ](freemarker) David E. Jones
>    [ ](freemarker) Ralph Goers
>    [ ](freemarker) Sergio Fernández
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>
>
> --------------------
> Geode
>
> Geode is a data management platform that provides real-time, consistent
> access to data-intensive applications throughout widely distributed butt
> architectures.
>
> Geode has been incubating since 2015-04-27.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    1. Have our first Apache (incubating) release (currently blocked on us
>       solving JGroups licensing issues) GEODE-77.
>    2. Expanding the community to include contributors and committers outside
>       of Pivotal.
>    3. Execute and manage the project according to governance model required by
>       the "Apache Way"
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    None
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    - The community has elected Nitin Lamba as its first Release Manager.
>    - Project website is being revamped.
>    - In September 73 issues were created and 26 resolved, bringing the total
>      to 382 created and 164 resolved.
>    - There was 1 pull requests to github in the last 30 days, for a total of
>      19 pull requests.
>    - There were 319 messages on the dev list and 32 messages on the user list.
>    - There are now 128 subscribers on the user and 117 on the dev list.
>
>    - Events and Conferences:
>      In September:
>
>      Four talks at "Apache: Big Data Europe"
>      - An introduction to Apache Geode (incubating)
>      - Building a highly scalable open-source Real-time Streaming Analytics
>        system using Spark SQL, Apache Geode (incubating), SpringXD and Apache
>        Zeppelin (incubating)
>      - Implementing a Highly Scalable In-Memory Stock Prediction System with
>        Apache Geode (incubating), R and Spring XD
>      - Apache Geode (incubating):  The First Six Months
>
>    Two talks at SpringOne:
>      - Implementing a highly scalable Stock prediction system with R, GemFire
>        and Spring XD <http://s.apache.org/gOc>
>      - Building Highly-Scalable Spring Applications with In-Memory,
>        Distributed Data Grids <http://s.apache.org/LHS>
>
>    Geode clubhouse: Building Effective Apache Geode Applications with Spring
>    Data GemFire (Sept 8th)
>
>    Geode clubhouse (roundtable):  Sept 30th
>
>    Meetup in Cork Ireland: http://s.apache.org/HV1
>    Meetup in London: http://s.apache.org/sOM
>
>    Upcoming in October:
>
>      Geode Clubhouse: Transactions (Oct 6th)
>      Geode Clubhouse: Roundtable (Oct ?)
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    - A wiki page has been setup to track the first release:
>      http://s.apache.org/2d6
>    - 11 items have been identified to reach the first release.
>    - Almost all unit tests now pass on feature/GEODE-77 branch (The JGroups
>      feature branch).
>    - Good progress has also been made on stabilizing CI, by fixing various
>      intermittent failures in integration tests.
>
> Date of last release:
>
>     N/A - Just nightly builds.
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [x](geode) Konstantin Boudnik
>    [ ](geode) Chip Childers
>    [ ](geode) Justin Erenkrantz
>    [ ](geode) Jan Iversen
>    [ ](geode) Chris Mattmann
>    [ ](geode) William A. Rowe Jr.
>    [ ](geode) Henry Saputra
>    [ ](geode) Roman Shaposhnik
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>
>
> --------------------
> Groovy
>
> Apache Groovy is a multi-faceted programming language for the Java platform.
> Groovy is a powerful, optionally typed and dynamic language, with static-
> typing and static compilation capabilities, aimed at multiplying developers’
> productivity thanks to a concise, familiar and easy to learn syntax. It
> integrates smoothly with any Java program, and immediately delivers to your
> application powerful features, including scripting capabilities, Domain-
> Specific Language authoring, runtime and compile-time meta-programming and
> functional programming.
>
> Groovy has been incubating since 2015-03-17.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    No issues left before graduating.
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    No particular issue, but our mentors suggested we think about graduating.
>    We still have to launch the vote, but the consensus is positive already.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    I've started collecting the number of subscribers on the users and dev
>    lists starting last July (numbers from early July till end of September).
>    Groovy users have been continuing to subscribe to our mailing-lists on a
>    regular basis.
>
>           Early   end of   end of    end of
>           July    July     August    September
>    Users: 249     259      273       274
>    Dev:   152     156      163       164
>
>    The download numbers, which are also an interesting indicator to see how
>    much a project is used, are still on an upward trend.
>
>    Here are the figures totaling downloads from both Maven Central and Bintray
>    since the Groovy project entered the incubator (full numbers from September
>    not yet available):
>
>    March April May   June   July   August
>    643k  759k  877k  1.15M  1.29M  1.34M
>
>    The download numbers doubled since Groovy entered the incubator.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    Since the last report 3 months ago, we managed to make two releases.
>
>      1. Groovy 2.4.4 on July 9th, patching an important security issue,
>         but the release wasn't yet compliant with all the good practices
>         in terms of licenses & copyright information
>
>      2. Groovy 2.4.5 on September 17th, we fixed all the problems of the
>         previous release, and we took the opportunity to do a "release party"
>         during the SpringOne2GX conference in Washington, DC, to spread the
>         knowledge of the new release process across the team, as well as with
>         our partners from JFrog.
>
> Date of last release:
>
>    2015-09-17: Groovy 2.4.5
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>    We've welcomed a new committer to the project: Keegan Witt.  Keegan is also
>    known in our community for his work with the Maven integration for Groovy
>    (the GMavenPlus project)
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [ ](groovy) Andrew Bayer
>    [x](groovy) Konstantin Boudnik
>    [x](groovy) Bertrand Delacretaz
>    [X](groovy) Jim Jagielski
>    [x](groovy) Emmanuel Lecharny
>    [ ](groovy) Roman Shaposhnik
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>    Emmanuel Lecharny:
>
>      Nothing special. They get it, it's now time for them to graduate, IMHO. As
>      a mentor, it's a pleasure to follow this podling.
>
> --------------------
> HAWQ
>
> HAWQ is an advanced enterprise SQL on Hadoop analytic engine built around a
> robust and high-performance massively-parallel processing (MPP) SQL framework
> evolved from Pivotal Greenplum Database.
>
> HAWQ has been incubating since 2015-09-04.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    1. Produce our first Apache Release
>    2. Finalize infrastructure Migration and ICLAs from committers
>    3. Expand the community, increase dev list activity and adding new
>       committers/pmc members
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    We have only just started the incubation, everything seems to be starting
>    up, nothing urgent at this time.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    This is our first report, after having been approved for incubation roughly
>    2 wks ago.
>
>    1. Most of the core contributors have completed their ICLA's and have
>       established apache ids.
>    2. Several presentations and meetups at ApacheCon EU and Strata aimed at
>       growing interest in the project
>    3. Formal announcements from Pivotal and press briefings related to the
>       move of the project into Apache aimed at growing awareness and interest
>       in the project.
>    4. Outreach to parties that have expressed interest previously in our open
>       source initiatives
>    5. Still very much at the early stages of community development, we're just
>       starting to get rolling.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    This is our first report, after having been approved for incubation roughly
>    2 wks ago.
>
>    1. Initial code drop has been provided to Apache
>    2. Core infrastructure has been setup including: mailing lists, git, jira,
>       wiki, website
>    3. 62 messages on our developer list, 3 messages on our user list
>    4. 16 jiras filed, 10 open, 1 reopened, 4 resolved, 1 closed - 1 issue
>       unassigned
>    5. 7 commits in total, including initial commit
>    6. Most discussed items on the mailing list:
>        - addressing issues with getting jira configured to allow issues to be
>          assigned to users
>        - discussion of usage of alternate communication channels, e.g. chat.
>        - discussion of RTC vs CTR models for dev process
>
> Date of last release:
>
>    We have not had a release yet.
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>    Most of the initial list of committers have been onboarded, but there are
>    still a few more outstanding.  We have not yet added any new members on top
>    of the initial committer list.
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [X](hawq) Alan Gates
>    [x](hawq) Konstantin Boudnik
>    [x](hawq) Justin Erenkrantz
>    [ ](hawq) Owen O'Malley
>    [ ](hawq) Thejas Nair
>    [ ](hawq) Roman Shaposhnik
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
> MADlib
>
> Big Data Machine Learning in SQL for Data Scientists.
>
> MADlib has been incubating since 2015-09-15.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    1. Produce a first Apache release.
>    2. Finalize infrastructure migration and ICLAs from committers.
>    3. Expand the community, increase dev list activity and add new
>       committers/pmc members.
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    Just started incubation, nothing specific to report at this time.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    We are approximately 2 weeks into the incubation process.
>
>      1. So still at early stage.
>      2. Most of the core contributors have completed their ICLA's and have
>         established apache ids.
>      3. Several presentations and meet-ups at ApacheCon EU and Strata NYC to
>         discuss MADlib move to ASF governance.
>      4. Formal announcements from Pivotal, press briefings and blogs related
>         to the move of the project into Apache aimed at growing awareness and
>         interest in the project.  Specialty press have picked up the story and
>         reported widely.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    Early activity:
>
>    1. Initial code drop provided to Apache
>    2. Core infrastructure is in the process of being migrated from existing
>       infrastructure: mailing lists, git, jira, wiki, website
>
> Date of last release:
>
>    No release yet.
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>    Most of initial list of committers have been on-boarded, some still
>    outstanding.  No new members added on top of the initial committer list.
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [x](madlib) Konstantin Boudnik
>    [ ](madlib) Ted Dunning
>    [ ](madlib) Roman Shaposhnik
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
> Myriad
>
> Myriad enables co-existence of Apache Hadoop YARN and Apache Mesos together
> on the same cluster and allows dynamic resource allocations across both
> Hadoop and other applications running on the same physical data center
> infrastructure.
>
> Myriad has been incubating since 2015-03-01.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    1. Determine the best way to take github pull requests or ReviewBoard patch
>       (chains) and apply/commit them to the Myriad git repo. We're looking at
>       Mesos' apply-review.sh script, but I wonder if there's something else
>       out there we should be considering. Is there a way to make github
>       'Merge' integration just work, even through the mirror?
>    2. Vote in and onboard new committers. Two are in progress, one from a new
>       contributing organization.
>    3. Prepare our first release under Apache. We'll update the code's
>       copyright/namespace and packaging, but we still need to learn the other
>       elements of the Apache release process. Is this "DRAFT" still the best
>       resource? https://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    None beyond the above-mentioned.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    - Mailing list traffic has significantly increased from 60-80
>      messages/month in April-July to 171 in August and 227 in September. Some
>      of that could be JIRA integration, but we still have 17 unique human
>      authors now, up from 13 in July.
>    - Increasing participation in our biweekly community syncs. We now get
>      around 7-11 participants, up from the 5-8 we were getting in May-July.
>      See minutes at: http://s.apache.org/8kF
>
>    - Wiki: Ruth has done a wonderful job populating and organizing the wiki
>      from our scattered docs. Now we have 24 wiki pages describing use cases,
>      architecture, installation/configuration, administration, and the REST
>      API. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MYRIAD/Myriad+Home
>    - Website under development, with awesome Myriad logo.
>      https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYRIAD-144 preview at
>      http://klucar.github.io/myriad-site/
>    - We started a #myriad IRC channel on Freenode, and are in the process of
>      integrating it with ASFBot.
>      https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-10485
>    - Well-attended talk by Mohit and Santosh at MesosCon.
>      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU2VE08fOD4
>    - Swapnil, Sarjeet, and Mitra won 1st place in freestyle category at docker
>      global hack day for docker based multi-tenant YARN/Myriad clusters.
>      https://blog.docker.com/2015/09/docker-global-hack-day-3-winners/
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    - Finally got the SGA from Paypal and migrated our source to Apache git!
>      Still need to figure how to integrate it into our commit workflow.
>    - Resolved 14 JIRAs: http://s.apache.org/3dc
>    - Merged the following PRs (from the old github repo)
>        * Multi-project build changes (PR#108)
>        * Improved unit testing (PR#112)
>        * Myriad Logo update (PR#113)
>        * Dynamically configurable NM Ports (PR#102)
>        * Fine-grained scaling (PR#91)
>        * Upgrade to Hadoop 2.7 (PR#116)
>        * Complete Myriad HA Implementation (PR#123)
>        * Run MyriadExecutor as NodeManager AuxService (PR#118,123)
>
> Date of last release:
>
>    Santosh will release manage the Myriad 0.1.0 release, our first release
>    under Apache. We created a 0.1.0 version tag in JIRA, and targeted some
>    pre-release issues for Apache copyright/namespace changes. We'll try to
>    merge in some outstanding PRs, but there are no other feature blockers, so
>    we hope to cut our first release candidate this month.
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>    - One new committer has been privately nominated and voted in, awaiting
>      IPMC Board approval. Then he/she still has to accept the invitation.
>    - Another is in the midst of voting this week.
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [ ](myriad) Benjamin Hindman
>    [ ](myriad) Danese Cooper
>    [ ](myriad) Ted Dunning
>    [ ](myriad) Luciano Resende
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
> ODF Toolkit
>
> Java modules that allow programmatic creation, scanning and manipulation of
> OpenDocument Format (ISO/IEC 26300 == ODF) documents
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>    Rob Weir (robweir):
>
>      No report submitted, though I did remind the PPMC.   I sense some "report
>      fatigue" since they missed the July report deadline, submitted then in
>      time for August, but lacked a mentor sign off, and then submitted again in
>      September and did get sign off.
>
>    Drew Farris (drew):
>
>      Kudos to robweir activity as a mentor, however this project could use
>      another mentor. Generally little traffic or activity.
>
> --------------------
> OpenAz
>
> Tools and libraries for developing Attribute-based Access Control (ABAC)
> Systems in a variety of languages.
>
> OpenAz has been incubating since 2015-01-20.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>    1. Confirm 1.0.0 as the first release
>    2. Get website up to attract more attention
>    3. Vote to confirm if any JIRA's are needed to be closed for 1st release
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>    None
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
>    n/a
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
>    Preparing for v1.0.0 release
>
> Date of last release:
>
>    XXXX-XX-XX
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
>    no new since initial
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>    [ ](openaz) Emmanuel Lecharny
>    [ ](openaz) Colm O Heigeartaigh
>    [ ](openaz) Hadrian Zbarcea
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>    P. Taylor Goetz (ptgoetz):
>
>      The OpenAz report is pretty sparse and has not been signed off
>      by any of the podling's mentors. dev@ mailing list activity is
>      extremely low (15 messages in the past 3 months). I would recommend
>      the top priority be for the project to expand the community.
>
>
>
> --------------------
> Wave
>
> A wave is a hosted, live, concurrent data structure for rich communication.
> It can be used like email, chat, or a document.
>
> Wave has been incubating since 2010-12-04.
>
> Shepherd/Mentor notes:
>
>    Marvin Humphrey (marvin):
>
>      Wave's report was deliberately not signed off by its Mentors.  Mentor
>      Upayavira engaged the Wave community about the possibility of retiring.
>      The community preferred to continue; a timeline for making an incubating
>      release was discussed.
>
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