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From Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:18:27 GMT
On 10/09/2015 08:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
>>> ...Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
>>> retiring podlings,..
>>
>> IMO this is where independence is important. We could require that 3
>> "organizationally independent" IPMC members review each podling before
>> graduating or retiring. Those people do not need to be project
>> mentors.
> 
> I much prefer a formulation of "3 independent" over "no financial
> ties", and would prefer such a criteria be considered whenever the
> impulse arises to ensure that NO involved individual has a vested
> interest.
> 
> I'll go further and say that financial interests are but one way in
> which individuals have a vested interest in the success of a project,
> and echoing a statement by Ross -- having a vested interest is not a
> bad thing.

Perhaps my initial suggestion needs some modification to the wording.
People with a vested interest (for a certain definition of the term) is
in itself not a bad thing when it comes to mentoring, but it can become
tricky when it comes to giving recommendations to the IPMC about how to
proceed from a neutral standpoint. That is what I aimed to have us work on.

I would imagine no one would object to a policy that says you cannot
have a binding vote if you have a financial interest in graduating a
podling, but my real point is we should leave the decision making to
those who are truly neutral, much as we let a judge and/or a neutral
jury decide if we're guilty or not in a legal case.

Perhaps we could change it to:

- Binding votes on incubation, graduation and/or retirement are only
valid when given by members of the IPMC who are independent from the
podling in question. Mentors are free to recommend such actions, but
cannot cast a vote themselves.

WDYT?

With regards,
Daniel.


> 
> Finally, I would prefer a model whereby those that have achieved ASF
> member status are given the benefit of the doubt in matters involving
> a group vote when it comes to their ability to separate their ASF role
> from their relationship with their employee.  Nothing wrong with still
> requiring 3 completely independent votes, but having a rule that
> excludes participation by those that have demonstrated their merit as
> ASF members just seems wrong.
> 
> - Sam Ruby
> 
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