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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion
Date Wed, 14 Oct 2015 12:53:01 GMT
Agreed. My only comment would be that I still think that the
optimal number of mentors is 1.

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Julian Hyde <> wrote:
> It's not activity on the dev list, or even report signoffs, that
> matter most. Podlings, especially new podlings, have lots and lots of
> questions, especially about infrastructure. Without at least two
> responsive mentors to field those questions you feel like banging your
> head on the wall. And you start wondering why you left the comfort and
> convenience of github and whether Apache itself is fascinated by its
> own brand.
> Before you ask, you won't get podlings to send their questions to
> another list, because we're all too proud to ask questions which in
> retrospect always turn out to be dumb questions.
> It's not possible to measure that kind of mentor activity, so I think
> people are inclined to measure the "public" forms of activity as proxy
> indicators.
> Julian
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
>> For me, I consider being a mentor as I do being a member of a PMC.
>> Occasionally one simply lacks cycles to be actively involved, but
>> one is involve enough to see that others *ARE* involved, and so I
>> am "unconcerned" about my inactivity during those times.
>> My understanding is that this is OK and its one of the reasons
>> why we *have* multiple mentors.
>> "Shaming" inactive mentors would be akin to "shaming" PMC members who
>> didn't post on the dev@ list this month, or who didn't vote on a release
>> or etc...
>> I am not, of course, referring to mentors who are truly MIA month in and
>> month out. But, as someone said, if you remove those from the equation,
>> the list of "active" mentors is pretty constant.
>> So the question is "Is there a difference or problem between a podling
>> with 10 mentors, of which 4 are 'active', as compared to a podling with
>> 4 mentors, all of which are 'active'"??
>>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:29 AM, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>>>>> Sounds like reaching out to the inactive mentors is a great idea and
>>>>> think we have a great example here of how complicated it can be.
>>>> Nope.  I posted that link knowing that my name would be on it, and
>>>> advocated that we should be having exactly this discussion.  I should
>>>> either become more active on this, or (and probably more likely)
>>>> remove myself as a mentor for this podling.
>>> And possibly by so doing become a great example to others of us who can't
>>> admit to ourselves that we are over-extended.
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