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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion
Date Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:15:22 GMT
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 06:10AM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> If it can work, that is very good. With intermittent availability, I have
> often seen the need for a spare.

Exactly! I've been out for 6 weeks back in May/June and missed all the reports
and other activity on the projects I am/was a mentor to. But I didn't fret as
there were a couple of other guys to make sure the podlings aren't hanging
high and dry

Cos

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> 
> > Agreed. My only comment would be that I still think that the
> > optimal number of mentors is 1.
> >
> > > On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's not activity on the dev list, or even report signoffs, that
> > > matter most. Podlings, especially new podlings, have lots and lots of
> > > questions, especially about infrastructure. Without at least two
> > > responsive mentors to field those questions you feel like banging your
> > > head on the wall. And you start wondering why you left the comfort and
> > > convenience of github and whether Apache itself is fascinated by its
> > > own brand.
> > >
> > > Before you ask, you won't get podlings to send their questions to
> > > another list, because we're all too proud to ask questions which in
> > > retrospect always turn out to be dumb questions.
> > >
> > > It's not possible to measure that kind of mentor activity, so I think
> > > people are inclined to measure the "public" forms of activity as proxy
> > > indicators.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> > >> For me, I consider being a mentor as I do being a member of a PMC.
> > >> Occasionally one simply lacks cycles to be actively involved, but
> > >> one is involve enough to see that others *ARE* involved, and so I
> > >> am "unconcerned" about my inactivity during those times.
> > >>
> > >> My understanding is that this is OK and its one of the reasons
> > >> why we *have* multiple mentors.
> > >>
> > >> "Shaming" inactive mentors would be akin to "shaming" PMC members who
> > >> didn't post on the dev@ list this month, or who didn't vote on a
> > release
> > >> or etc...
> > >>
> > >> I am not, of course, referring to mentors who are truly MIA month in and
> > >> month out. But, as someone said, if you remove those from the equation,
> > >> the list of "active" mentors is pretty constant.
> > >>
> > >> So the question is "Is there a difference or problem between a podling
> > >> with 10 mentors, of which 4 are 'active', as compared to a podling with
> > >> 4 mentors, all of which are 'active'"??
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Sounds like reaching out to the inactive mentors is a great
idea and
> > I
> > >>>>> think we have a great example here of how complicated it can
be.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Nope.  I posted that link knowing that my name would be on it,
and
> > >>>> advocated that we should be having exactly this discussion.  I
should
> > >>>> either become more active on this, or (and probably more likely)
> > >>>> remove myself as a mentor for this podling.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> And possibly by so doing become a great example to others of us who
> > can't
> > >>> admit to ourselves that we are over-extended.
> > >>
> > >>
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