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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 00:00:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: ODF Toolkit may need help
From: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
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The Attic is for Apache projects. Podlings are simply retired/removed.
On Sep 4, 2015 9:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 5:12 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir <rob@robweir.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling.
> >>>
> >>> This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now.  Last month they
> >>> filed a report without mentor sign off, without any feedback on the
> >> mailing
> >>> list.  They have remained partially active throughout the 4 years, but
> >> from
> >>> what I can tell suffering a bit in community growth.  I'd like to seek
> >>> input from the incubator on how to potentially resolve this and maybe
> get
> >>> help for this podling.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>
> >>
> >> I am the mentor who did not sign off last month.  You may have noticed
> >> that the podling has been filing nearly identical reports for some
> >> time now.   I'd sum up accomplishments to date as:
> >>
> >> 1) We've done a few podling releases.
> >>
> >> 2) IP review is in good shape
> >>
> >> 3) Community gets along well, no significant frictions
> >>
> >> 4) Community has added new committers outside the original PPMC, but
> >> has also lost its original corporate-sponsored developers.
> >>
> >> 5) The code is being used, as seen by incoming traffic on users list
> >> and occasional patch submissions
> >
> > I have noticed that.  Has the podling been made aware that the report
> > shouldn't be a copy and paste, and that stagnating growth is probably
> not a
> > good sign?  It would help to explain why their report wasn't signed off
> on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> These are all good steps towards graduation.  However, the community
> >> thinks, and I tend to agree, that the activity level is too low to
> >> sustain a TLP.   If we were able to attract another 2 or 3 active
> >> developers we would be in great shape.  As mentor I've given advice
> >> when asked, and when I thought needed.  But I'm not standing there
> >> with a whip and a megaphone telling them what to do.   I don't think
> >> that makes a sustainable community.
> >>
> >> I don't think shuffling the code around within Apache, to another
> >> project (or Podling) really solves anything.  The Attic is one option,
> >> but my guess is that would end the podling but not the (albeit small)
> >> community.  They would probably just set up on github and continue
> >> with the same pace of activity, with a lighterweight process, outside
> >> of Apache.  So, personally, I don't think the Attic would be the death
> >> of the ODF Toolkit.
> >
> > The attic should be considered only as a last stitch effort, all other
> > attempts at resolving the podling have been tried and failed.
>
> Nothing stops anyone from forking the podling to another location. The
> incubator would need to do something with the code. That would be to put it
> in the attic as an archive, as not maintained any longer.
>
> This is decision for the community such as it is to make.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
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