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From Ian C <...@amham.net>
Subject Re: ODF Toolkit may need help
Date Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:08:53 GMT
As this discussion is taking place someone just asked to join the project....

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> I recollect seeing a retiring podling with releases go to the attic. If that is not correct
or it was an exceptional case then thanks for the correction.
>
> What would be done with domain names? The podling came in with the domain name offtoolkit.org.
What happens to that?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Attic is for Apache projects. Podlings are simply retired/removed.
>>> On Sep 4, 2015 9:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 5:12 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir <rob@robweir.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now.  Last month
they
>>>>>> filed a report without mentor sign off, without any feedback on the
>>>>> mailing
>>>>>> list.  They have remained partially active throughout the 4 years,
but
>>>>> from
>>>>>> what I can tell suffering a bit in community growth.  I'd like to
seek
>>>>>> input from the incubator on how to potentially resolve this and maybe
>>> get
>>>>>> help for this podling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am the mentor who did not sign off last month.  You may have noticed
>>>>> that the podling has been filing nearly identical reports for some
>>>>> time now.   I'd sum up accomplishments to date as:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) We've done a few podling releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) IP review is in good shape
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Community gets along well, no significant frictions
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Community has added new committers outside the original PPMC, but
>>>>> has also lost its original corporate-sponsored developers.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) The code is being used, as seen by incoming traffic on users list
>>>>> and occasional patch submissions
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that.  Has the podling been made aware that the report
>>>> shouldn't be a copy and paste, and that stagnating growth is probably
>>> not a
>>>> good sign?  It would help to explain why their report wasn't signed off
>>> on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These are all good steps towards graduation.  However, the community
>>>>> thinks, and I tend to agree, that the activity level is too low to
>>>>> sustain a TLP.   If we were able to attract another 2 or 3 active
>>>>> developers we would be in great shape.  As mentor I've given advice
>>>>> when asked, and when I thought needed.  But I'm not standing there
>>>>> with a whip and a megaphone telling them what to do.   I don't think
>>>>> that makes a sustainable community.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think shuffling the code around within Apache, to another
>>>>> project (or Podling) really solves anything.  The Attic is one option,
>>>>> but my guess is that would end the podling but not the (albeit small)
>>>>> community.  They would probably just set up on github and continue
>>>>> with the same pace of activity, with a lighterweight process, outside
>>>>> of Apache.  So, personally, I don't think the Attic would be the death
>>>>> of the ODF Toolkit.
>>>>
>>>> The attic should be considered only as a last stitch effort, all other
>>>> attempts at resolving the podling have been tried and failed.
>>>
>>> Nothing stops anyone from forking the podling to another location. The
>>> incubator would need to do something with the code. That would be to put it
>>> in the attic as an archive, as not maintained any longer.
>>>
>>> This is decision for the community such as it is to make.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
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Cheers,

Ian C

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