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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [NOTICE] corinthia PPMC+committer -= dortef, franz, gbg, ianc, jani, louis, pmkelly
Date Sun, 06 Sep 2015 02:22:34 GMT
Hi Marvin,

Very true. I am sorry that we did not come to the IPMC sooner. Perhaps after my second attempt
to cool things. Maybe a mentor should use frustration to determine when ask for help. Maybe
it should not be private@. What if there was a mentor@ private ML explicitly for this help?
Mentor confidential.

I think the Incubator being separate from ComDev may also be an issue. It can take time to
grow a community and learn the balance between policy and pace of conversation. Apache can
not be only policy. To many in the podling it began to feel like that - only policy. People
asked for that to cool.

Also Apache needs a release policy for binaries that would allow the best UX/UI API for the
platform to be used even if it is GPL. If you have subscribed to legal-discuss the last few
months you know why that discussion was impossible. If that can be worked out then at least
it would help other projects.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> As noted elsewhere, I saw the request from bertrand and he had access
>> within an hour, I never saw yours (Dennis is also moderator, so he
>> should/can have seen it), so I do not understand the delay.
> 
> Ted is doing what he can, and it's only been a few days. We are all
> volunteers and do not always have the freedom to drop what we are
> doing to give Incubator matters our full attention.
> 
>> To be very honest the IPMC have had plenty of time to react on the call
>> from Dave and Me, but decided to react differently. There was a
>> reason why I resigned as mentor, it was not because I did not want to help
>> the community, but because the IPMC told me quite clearly how wrong I
>> was...and just maybe that was the drop that caused the resignations.
> 
> What I wish everyone involved would strive to remember is that
> personnel conflicts are inherently difficult and draining, that
> mistakes are often made and responses often poorly calibrated, and
> that there are real people receiving these emails who may experience
> intense emotions as they read them.
> 
> PS: Surely this response is imperfect as well.
> 
> Marvin Humphrey

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