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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: ODF Toolkit may need help
Date Sun, 06 Sep 2015 02:30:00 GMT
Thanks.

Regarding domain names that's good advice. Should retirement happen we can follow that course.

There seems to be fresh blood in the project. We will need to see.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Henri Yandell <bayard@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't see any project within the Attic that came there from the
> Incubator.
> 
> If one did, it should have passed its IP items already.
> 
> My opinion on domain names for a project not graduating is that we give it
> back to who gave it to us, or if they don't want it back, let them decide
> who we should give it to.
> 
> Hen
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If the podling *has* cleared all IP, then I could see allowing it. But we
>> certainly don't want improper IP residing in the Attic. These aren't Apache
>> projects until graduation, so don't really belong. I can see releases
>> strengthening the argument for archival.
>> 
>> Henri should be able to clarify.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> -g
>>> On Sep 5, 2015 3:35 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I recollect seeing a retiring podling with releases go to the attic. If
>>> that is not correct or it was an exceptional case then thanks for the
>>> correction.
>>> 
>>> What would be done with domain names? The podling came in with the domain
>>> name offtoolkit.org. What happens to that?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The Attic is for Apache projects. Podlings are simply retired/removed.
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2015 9:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 5:12 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir <rob@robweir.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now.  Last
month
>>> they
>>>>>>>> filed a report without mentor sign off, without any feedback
on the
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list.  They have remained partially active throughout the
4 years,
>>> but
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> what I can tell suffering a bit in community growth.  I'd
like to
>>> seek
>>>>>>>> input from the incubator on how to potentially resolve this
and
>>> maybe
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> help for this podling.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am the mentor who did not sign off last month.  You may have
>>> noticed
>>>>>>> that the podling has been filing nearly identical reports for
some
>>>>>>> time now.   I'd sum up accomplishments to date as:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1) We've done a few podling releases.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) IP review is in good shape
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3) Community gets along well, no significant frictions
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4) Community has added new committers outside the original PPMC,
but
>>>>>>> has also lost its original corporate-sponsored developers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 5) The code is being used, as seen by incoming traffic on users
list
>>>>>>> and occasional patch submissions
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have noticed that.  Has the podling been made aware that the report
>>>>>> shouldn't be a copy and paste, and that stagnating growth is probably
>>>>> not a
>>>>>> good sign?  It would help to explain why their report wasn't signed
>>> off
>>>>> on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> These are all good steps towards graduation.  However, the community
>>>>>>> thinks, and I tend to agree, that the activity level is too low
to
>>>>>>> sustain a TLP.   If we were able to attract another 2 or 3 active
>>>>>>> developers we would be in great shape.  As mentor I've given
advice
>>>>>>> when asked, and when I thought needed.  But I'm not standing
there
>>>>>>> with a whip and a megaphone telling them what to do.   I don't
think
>>>>>>> that makes a sustainable community.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't think shuffling the code around within Apache, to another
>>>>>>> project (or Podling) really solves anything.  The Attic is one
>>> option,
>>>>>>> but my guess is that would end the podling but not the (albeit
small)
>>>>>>> community.  They would probably just set up on github and continue
>>>>>>> with the same pace of activity, with a lighterweight process,
outside
>>>>>>> of Apache.  So, personally, I don't think the Attic would be
the
>>> death
>>>>>>> of the ODF Toolkit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The attic should be considered only as a last stitch effort, all
other
>>>>>> attempts at resolving the podling have been tried and failed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nothing stops anyone from forking the podling to another location. The
>>>>> incubator would need to do something with the code. That would be to
>>> put it
>>>>> in the attic as an archive, as not maintained any longer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is decision for the community such as it is to make.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>> 
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