Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53EA818EA9 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58263 invoked by uid 500); 3 Aug 2015 18:36:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58026 invoked by uid 500); 3 Aug 2015 18:36:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58011 invoked by uid 99); 3 Aug 2015 18:36:29 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:36:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id A7C09198DDC for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:36:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.108, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-eu-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AcEljzeqkjCX for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f170.google.com (mail-io0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 79FF724E0F for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ioeg141 with SMTP id g141so153790300ioe.3 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=8P/7d64Dg1BzjuiByqpZhyRQg2FonaJ1kuGWttMGlRo=; b=B2/atuV8QGjBl9KINkjR3VrP6yCg66Ux0gNjGSGbJsWWBMWTHwvcnWWzkzG8nMRgAk V8BvY0ydfoLHHDBtS0+iHAuN3/3pnqEY5Gih+/t2zKkD0d426R9wtQG25pJ10Ooswsqf YsRMmbmf5QJJHuBbQCGS6QQqcfWAtPJwUpxN/YfG79Rex0qXzeTH6JW9yAKvyuq40l5N 2aPNC1zJgZSQlv1GfjSHLM1yw0FNjb6h8XOUINcgoKaxjyvKfmmxSgu0IAfU1u8MqxTz 5QZqUlXEWPGUeVSEpjeboD8B19ZH2jQlpgzOb7YMGEj4INhl5YRtIsL/3XjXRTmCtxbG BD1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.6.87 with SMTP id 84mr21854195iog.35.1438626974313; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: shaposhnik@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.170.10 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2E7FB62A-82A7-4DBD-AF90-42307E8BBB3F@classsoftware.com> <55B4C69E.8060101@apache.org> <20150727001522.GA4577@tpx> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:36:14 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QrHcZbFntwhqYWudPJL8l1sXW2Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator) From: Roman Shaposhnik To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >> ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering >> PPMCs and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense?... > > How is that different from the status quo where a podling with active > mentors can have their releases +1ed by their mentors, requiring > minimal interaction with the IPMC? I think it is more of a bias issue. IOW, today it seems that the default bias of IPMC is to consider itself a final authority (or a gatekeeper) on podling releases. We need to break that bias and make it so that it is truly a safety net, rather than a gatekeeper. IOW, I'd like the release traffic on general@ to ONLY consist of [NOTICE] emails, not [VOTE]. Thanks, Roman. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org