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From Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)
Date Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:41:29 GMT
Can you provide a pointer to a specific example of what you mean?


On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar <arvind@apache.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > ​
> > In fact, in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect of
> IPMC
> > ​> ​
> > feeling in need to justify why it exists by micromanaging podlings.
> >
> > I've been through incubation as a mentor on Phoenix, Nifi, and now
> getting
> > up to speed on Trafodion, I have not seen micromanagement of podlings.
> > Could you point out an example? Curious what you mean.
> >
>
> It is worth noting that none of the IPMC members micromanage on purpose, or
> are even aware that their actions are being interpreted as acts of
> micromanagement. From their perspective, it is their responsibility to
> guide the podling, and that is what they are trying to do. It will unfair
> to bring those out as examples of micromanagement.
>
> That said, I have personally been in positions where I have seen IPMC
> members ask - and even demand things at times - that I feel are
> unreasonable requests for the podling. The reason I do not challenge those
> is because I feel that their asks are rooted in good intentions, and that
> the IPMC in its current form encourages such involvement and authority. At
> the same time I also worry about the state of the podling and what this
> does to their way of thinking about Apache and the Incubator.
>
> Regards,
> Arvind Prabhakar
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:18 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I wonder how much of the silence is a notion of "I don't want to be
> > > > accountable if something goes wrong in this podling."
> > >
> > > Right, but that same concern could be applied to every single TLP
> > > and yet the board seems to do the right thing with that.
> > >
> > > > Having the IPMC safety net means its at least the IPMC's fault if
> > > something
> > > > goes wrong.
> > >
> > > My point all along has been that this is a false sense of security.
> > > ​​
> > > In fact,
> > > in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect of IPMC
> > > feeling in need to justify why it exists by micromanaging podlings.
> > >
> > > > Personally, I'd be happy if the PPMCs had more self governance.  But
> I
> > > > think there are also some key people on the IPMC that should be able
> to
> > > > lend their skills out to the broader PPMCs in case of need.
> > >
> > > Which would be totally fine and gets us back to the point Daniel and I
> > were
> > > discussing: a release compliance team (horrible name, I know) as part
> of
> > > ASF.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> >    - Andy
> >
> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> > (via Tom White)
> >
>



-- 
Best regards,

   - Andy

Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)

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