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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:51:10 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
From: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
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On Jul 29, 2015 12:45 PM, "Konstantin Boudnik" <cos@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:25PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 2015 11:37 AM, "Branko =C4=8Cibej" <brane@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 29.07.2015 18:14, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015, at 03:19 AM, Branko =C4=8Cibej wrote:
> > > >> Personally I'm not too happy with how this community tracks
issues, but
> > > >> hey, if it works for them, why fix it? It'll be a fine day when th=
e
> > IPMC
> > > >> starts telling podlings how their development workflow should look
> > like.
> > > > Does "works for them" translate into "people not currently in the
> > > > community can follow how the existing community tracks issues, so
they
> > > > can contribute and become part of the community"? If so, then maybe
it's
> > > > OK. If it's not transparent to folks not currently part of that
> > > > community, it's hard to see how the community will sustain itself
with
> > > > new members as other folks inevitably move on to other projects.
> > >
> > > Given that new contributors keep showing up on a regular basis, I hav=
e
> > > to assume that it's not so opaque as all that.
> > >
> > > Anyway, Ignite has been discussing and implementing a revised (and IM=
O
> > > better) set of policies for Jira use and git workflow since this
> > > discussion started; other than displaying an incomprehensible
preference
> > > for RTC, it seems to be going well.
> >
> > I always translate RTC as "we don't trust you, so somebody else must
> > approve anything you do."
> >
> > To me, that is a lousy basis for creating a community. Trust and peer
> > respect should be the basis, which implies CTR. I have seen many excuse=
s
> > for RTC, but they all are just window dressing over mistrust.
>
> While I tend to agree with you, it worth noting that there's a whole
bunch of
> TLPs sticking to RTC.  So, this data point doesn't reflect on the podling
in
> question.

And POW!! There is one excuse on display already :-P

"But others do it."

-g

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