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From: Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:12:02 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 2015-07-22 01:17, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Nitpicking time.
>>>
>>> Your supposedly vendor-neutral web site says:
>>> "GridGain Community Edition is a binary build of Apache Ignite created
>>> by GridGain, which includes optional LGPL dependencies, such as
>>> Hibernate L2 cache integration and Geospatial Indexing. It benefits from
>>> continued testing by GridGain engineers and may contain latest bug fixes
>>> and features that will be included into the future official Apache
>>> Ignite releases."
>>>
>>> - I consider this very biased towards a single company (especially
>>> considering it is the _only_ 3rd party listed, and you do _not_ specify
>>> how other 3rd parties may get listed on the page).
>>>
>>
>> Good point. I have added text specifying how other companies can provide
>> their community editions for Apache Ignite.
>>
>
> Excellent!
>
>
>> You start off by saying you don't endorse it, and then you praise it -
>> it's
>>
>>> either or.
>>>
>>
>> We started out by providing just a blank link, but it became very
>> confusing
>> to our users, and we allowed GridGain to add a brief description.
>>
>> I have just updated the text of the description to strip it out of
>> anything
>> other than facts. I don't think it conflicts with Ignite not officially
>> endorsing this edition.
>>
> Thanks :)
> I still find it a bit problematic that the text infers that GridGain's 3rd
> party binary is somehow "potentially upstream" from Apache Ignite, but I
> will defer to Shane to decide whether that is allowed or not.
>
>
>>  Your web site also lists the organizational affiliation of PMC members.
>>> While this may be useful internally in the ASF, I fail to see why this
>>> is mentioned on the web site. This should have no relevance to the
>>> project whatsoever.
>>>
>>>  Although I see your point, I don't think it's harmful one way or
>> another.
>> All the community members voluntarily and willingly provided their company
>> affiliation.
>>
>
> To be clear, I am not about to veto a graduation vote because of company
> affiliations, I just don't think it belongs on the page.
> If/when you graduate, the PMC has every right to decide this for
> themselves, I believe.
>

Looking at how this discussion is going, I think we should leave it as is
for now in the interest of transparency.


>
>
>>  You point to gridgain.org for several of your documentation segments,
>>> this is also not acceptable.
>>>
>>>  This is not on purpose. The documentation was initially migrated from
>> GridGain and some old links might have sneaked in.
>>
>> I cannot find any places with gridgain.org links you are referencing. Can
>> you please point those out, so I can quickly fix them?
>>
>
> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/features/datagrid.html
> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/features/igniterdd.html
> etc.
> I think you should just grep for it in your features directory, there may
> be more pages that refer to it.
>

I fixed it in a bunch of places by doing a grep. If you find anything I
missed, please let me know.

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