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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:02:14 GMT
Chris,

Thanks for bringing up the Tez discussion.  I think that it was a great
example of a community responding to questions and criticisms in a very
open and evidence based manner.

I was strongly -1 on that proposal originally based on similar grounds to
what has been raised in this thread.  The community responded and showed me
how I was in error.  The discussion was civil, but there were strong
disagreements that were worked out over time. On my side, I was working
enormously hard at the time and subject to jet-lag which made it very hard
to respond well.

My vote in the ensuing VOTE thread was +1 because of how the community
responded.

I was convinced that the community was open and welcoming and trying to
build.  The raw numbers about affiliation weren't the whole story by any
stretch.



On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Chris Douglas <cdouglas@apache.org> wrote:

> Daniel-
>
> This has been discussed recently in graduations for Tez [1], Drill
> [2], and other projects whose continued incubation serves no purpose.
> They've completed a curriculum that clears their IP and introduces
> them to the ASF's infrastructure, procedures, and culture. The project
> must be open, and not threatened by the challenges that open
> development poses. We encourage transparency by creating a climate for
> projects to report honestly about diversity, rather than incentivizing
> corruption of that metric.
>
> As this thread demonstrates, the IPMC cannot do more. -C
>
> P.S. Please fix your quoting, or delete the tail of the message as you
> reply.
>
> [1] http://s.apache.org/uT4
> [2] http://s.apache.org/m2u
>
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