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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: I still don't see your priorities
Date Sun, 05 Jul 2015 06:50:30 GMT
Unfortunately you come across to me in the worst possible manner, not happy
with the status quo and only complaining.

ASF works in a manner of;
a. Do-acracy. Don't expect anyone else but you to make the changes you want
to see.

b. Small reversible steps. Suggesting (and/or executing) very big changes
are likely to be rejected due to risks.

c. Previous merit weighs in heavily in new proposals. If I say X, it will
be skipped over a lot than if JimJag says X, as people will assume that he
has put more thought into it, since previous changes coming from him has
turned out very well. That doesn't mean that relative newcomers have no
say, or impact. There are plenty of recent ASFers, that has made huge
impact on both ASF and people. That normally shows up in Board
nominations...

So instead of writing mails about what other people should do, how about
acting on the above advice, Propose, Gather support, Execute.
Easy? Perhaps not, that depends on what your goals are...

Cheers
Niclas
On Jul 4, 2015 21:34, "Stefan Reich" <
stefan.reich.maker.of.eye@googlemail.com> wrote:

> BTW I'm not even talking about payments.
>
> I talk about *collaborating*.
>
> And I do understand perfectly fine.
>
> Stefan
> Am 04.07.2015 19:26 schrieb "Jochen Theodorou" <blackdrag@gmx.org>:
>
> > Am 04.07.2015 18:53, schrieb Stefan Reich:
> >
> >> You wait for something to exist, and THEN you support it?
> >>
> >> How about taking something good that WANTS TO EXIST, and supporting
> that?
> >>
> >
> > Stefan, you sill don't understand that the ASF is basically a bunch of
> > people supporting open source in their free time. All the infrastructure
> is
> > almost completely done by volunteers. If someone gets money for working
> on
> > an apache project, it is usually not the ASF doing the payments.
> > And given that time is of the essence I find it perfectly fine to expect
> > some basic work has been done already. 9 of 10 new opensource projects
> fail
> > in the earlest stages.
> >
> > bye blackdrag
> >
> > --
> > Jochen "blackdrag" Theodorou
> > blog: http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
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