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From Valentin Kulichenko <valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Thu, 23 Jul 2015 01:54:45 GMT
Hi,

I will jump in as I'm also on Ignite PMC.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:50 PM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am concerned, seen from my POW (and please excuse it is of course my
> personal pow), too many
> questions remain unanswered.
>
> I am concerned because I would have expected the community to have clear
> answers (independent of whether I agree or not) to
> e.g. the concerns from Daniel.
>
>
Sorry for some late responses. It so happens that most of the community
members are on european time zones.


> It seems to me (and I am sorry, being busy, I do not research thing, I
> simply read this thread), that there are issues with the community.
>
> I recognize that the activity on the ML is diverse FINE !
> Concerns have been raised about a off-list issue system, that seems to be
> left open ?
>

As Dmitry has already responded, there is absolutely no separate Jira
maintained for Ignite. Denis accidently sent his employer's Jira ticket
status to the dev list. In fact he is so used to send the most of his
emails to the dev list, that he sent this one to the dev list by accident
as well.


> Concerns have been raised about the people behind the actual commits, that
> seems to be left open ?
>

The identity of the committers is never lost (at least to my knowledge). We
actually have the opposite problem of too many commits happening in
different branches because of our branching policy which requires a
separate branch for every ticket.


> Concerns have been raised about the homepage, that seems to be left open ?
>
>
I'm not sure what concerns were raised about the homepage (I actually like
the design ;-). Can you point me to the thread, if I missed it? To my
knowledge, there were some stale links that were noted, but those were
quickly fixed. We will be happy to address any open issues with the web
site.


> When it comes to voting time, those are the questions I will check if
> answered in an acceptable apache way, if so I am  +1,
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
> On 23 July 2015 at 01:16, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > After a quick walk through the master log I see that a bunch of the
> > questionable commits are resulted from the dev. branches histories not
> > being
> > properly squashed before the feature is merged into the master.
> >
> > This is something that mentors have asked to address before and, in fact,
> > the
> > community is making changes as we speak
> >     https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Sprint+Process
> >
> > specifically under 'git workflow'. Arguably, squashing is a matter of
> taste
> > and I would refrain from pushing the community one way or another,
> > although I
> > surely don't like non-squashed histories like that.
> >
> > Development process is actually documented on the wiki and is followed by
> > the
> > community. I don't see why it is looks closed or off-list, really. Any
> new
> > contributor can start picking up things using these tools. In fact, they
> > do -
> > the community has new committers and active users that have no problems
> > figuring out how to contribute into the project (according to the dev@
> and
> > user@ lists). Does it answer your concerns, Ted?
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Cos
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:07PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > On 07/22/2015 09:23 PM, Julian Hyde wrote:
> > > > I reviewed Ignite’s commit log and email lists. I got the impression
> > of a
> > > > split personality: The dev list[1] is very open and clearly following
> > the
> > > > Apache Way. Meanwhile, the commit log[2] is (to my eyes at least)
> > > > difficult to decipher.
> > > >
> > > > In the commit log, messages such as "Merge remote-tracking branch
> > > > 'origin/master’” and "# master minor”, "GG-10559 - Improvements.”
are
> > > > typical. Very few descriptive comments or references to IGNITE-xxx
> > cases
> > > > that could provide further explanation. Those are indications to me
> > that
> > > > development is been driven by off-list meetings.
> > > >
> > > > If the Ignite committers want to build a diverse community of
> > developers,
> > > > I think they need to make their commits more transparent to match the
> > > > excellent transparency they have achieved on their mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > Julian
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ignite-dev/201507.mbox/browser
> > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-ignite/commits/master
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > The GG-10559 commit log (along with the 'oops' email sent to dev by
> > > mistake today) seems to indicate (this is just speculation, I would
> love
> > > for someone to answer whether this is the case) that commits are being
> > > based off an internal JIRA instance (or other bug tracking system) not
> > > hosted at the ASF.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, I have found that there are 207 JIRA tickets with NO
> > > description, discussion or useful information other than ownership
> > > changing hands and then suddenly the tickets have been resolved with no
> > > explanation, suggesting that either people have not been properly
> taught
> > > about how to share information and collaborate as a community, or the
> > > actual discussions and 'ping-pong' happen elsewhere, outside our view.
> > >
> > > I naturally hope there is no reason for concern, and I would love to
> get
> > > some insight into why these things pop into view when you examine the
> > > development process.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > > Daniel.
> > >
> > >
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