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From Branko ─îibej <br...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:31:15 GMT
On 22.07.2015 22:10, Pierre Smits wrote:
> @Branko: are referring to TEZ in your last posting, or Ignite?

I'm a mentor for Ignite; this thread is about Ignite; of course I'm
talking about Ignite.

> If you are talking about ignite, have a look at:
> http://markmail.org/search/incubator.ignite+list:org.apache.ignite.dev and
> http://markmail.org/search/incubator.ignite+list:org.apache.ignite.user and
> check out the 'Who sent it' overviews of each and compare that to the list
> of names (and affiliations). in
> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community/resources.html

I frankly don't know what you're talking about. Are you telling me to
review the mailing list traffic and verify that anyone who ever sent a
mail to the lists is mentioned as a contributor? Are you saying that the
correctness of the contributor list is a graduation requirement?


> Then you have the basis for assessing how well the podling has been doing
> the community building aspect and embedding diversity and independence
> during the incubation phase up to now.

Having been a pretty nitpicking mentor, I'm well aware how the community
has been doing, thanks. And I'll restate my opinion that it's been doing
amazingly well. Not only has it gained committers many from outside the
company that donated the code, they've also established working
relationships with other ASF projects that can be integrated with
Ignite. In light of this, anyone who persists in saying that the
community is not open and diverse enough had better come up with some
hard data corroborating that.

-- Brane



>
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>
> Pierre Smits
>
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> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Branko ─îibej <brane@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 21.07.2015 21:04, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>> Actually, given that this project was a spin-out of an internal project,
>>> this is a stunningly low number to have achieved so quickly (assuming
>> that
>>> the 37% are actually active, that is).
>> Indeed. And yes, they're active; that's easily established by reading
>> the dev@ list, commit log and Jira log.
>>
>> I was quite surprised by how quickly the project got contributors from
>> "outside", and anyone who takes the trouble to actually look at how the
>> community operates will find that it is very helpful and receptive. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a few TPLs and even recently
>> graduated podlings that could take the Ignite community as an example
>> rather than the other way around.
>>
>> I suggest that everyone who doubts that this is an "open and diverse
>> community" should go and read the mailing list archives for the last few
>> months or so instead of making uninformed statements based on some
>> incidental numbers. If, on the other hand, you prefer running the IPMC
>> using statistics instead of facts, you could at least have made the
>> effort to look at the trends instead of a point-in-time snapshot.
>>
>> -- Brane
>>
>>
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