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From Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:08:55 GMT
Nitpicking time.

Your supposedly vendor-neutral web site says:
"GridGain Community Edition is a binary build of Apache Ignite created
by GridGain, which includes optional LGPL dependencies, such as
Hibernate L2 cache integration and Geospatial Indexing. It benefits from
continued testing by GridGain engineers and may contain latest bug fixes
and features that will be included into the future official Apache
Ignite releases."

- I consider this very biased towards a single company (especially
considering it is the _only_ 3rd party listed, and you do _not_ specify
how other 3rd parties may get listed on the page). You start off by
saying you don't endorse it, and then you praise it - it's either or.

Your web site also lists the organizational affiliation of PMC members.
While this may be useful internally in the ASF, I fail to see why this
is mentioned on the web site. This should have no relevance to the
project whatsoever.

You point to gridgain.org for several of your documentation segments,
this is also not acceptable.

I would very much like to see this rectified before we get to an actual
vote, or I will possibly be casting a -1.

With regards,
Daniel.


On 07/21/2015 10:48 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> 
> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>> Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
> 
> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
> meritocratic community."?
> 
> I think not.
> 
> 
>>
>> What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
>> understand how to make releases and are building community.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
>>> nowhere.
>>>
>>> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman and
>>> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of intended
>>> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows to
>>> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
>>> regarding healthiness.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list for a
>>>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back in
>>>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who want
>>>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is
>>>> 73DB2E64-87D5-4DD5-91FB-403464895AC5@gbiv.com):
>>>>
>>>> [quote]
>>>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF.  There is a behavior
>>>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
>>>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a
>>>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
>>>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
>>>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
>>>> and I have no cycles to spare.
>>>>
>>>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
>>>> status impacts their ability to participate here.  IOW, it would
>>>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
>>>> [/quote]
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>   Cos
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
>>>>> (Gridgrain).
>>>>>
>>>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
>>> independece?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
>>>> amareshwari@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the
>>>> automated
>>>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont see any such on project website -
>>>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> You might want to correct it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and  I'm wrong in understanding
>>> the
>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Amareshwari
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established
>>>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing
>>>>>>>> graduation to TLP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vote thread:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Summary of the vote results:
>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
>>>>>>>>    12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
>>>>>>>>    13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
>>>>>>>>    14. Milap Wadwa
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish
a
>>>> consensus
>>>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the
best
>>>>>>>>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>>>>>>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>>>>>>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>>>>>>     open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>>>>>>>>     the public, related to the automated and managed flow
of
>>>>>>>>     information between systems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
>>>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and
>>>> transacting
>>>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time"
>>>>>>  --------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>>>>>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project",
>>>>>>>>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>>>>>>     Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby
is
>>>>>>>>     responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>>>>>>>     related to the automated and managed flow of information
>>>>>>>>     between systems and be it further
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
Ignite"
>>> be
>>>>>>>>     and hereby is created, the person holding such office
to
>>>>>>>>     serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
chair
>>>>>>>>     of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
>>>> responsibility
>>>>>>>>     for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>>>>>>     responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it
>>> further
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be
and
>>>>>>>>     hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members
of the
>>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Branko Čibej (brane@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>     Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
>>>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice
>>> President,
>>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject
to the
>>>>>>>>     direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
the
>>>>>>>>     Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
or
>>>>>>>>     disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
>>>>>>>>     and be it further
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby
is
>>>>>>>>     tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended
to
>>>>>>>>     encourage open development and increased participation
in the
>>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby
>>>>>>>>     is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the
>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the
Apache
>>>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>>>>>>     Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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