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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:00:58 GMT
An an active mentor of the podling I do support the graduation. The last, to
my knowledge, concern expressed was about insufficient open discussions of the
new features on the dev@ and that has been addressed by [1]

WRT your observation: I do think the diversity part in the graduation
requirement is moot and, as this discussion shows, quite counter-productive. I
will start a separate [DISCUSS] about reconsidering its presence in the
guidelines.

[1] http://s.apache.org/vYK

Cos

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 05:36AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Wow this thread has got out of control. I'm not even going to pretend that I
> have tried to read all this while at OSCON (though I have skimmed much of
> it). Instead I want to make one statement and make one request of the Ignite
> mentors.
> 
> First the request:
> 
> Can active mentors please make a clear statement, in reply to this mail, on
> whether you support graduation or not. I assume mentors will consider the
> concerns expressed in this thread before making their recommendation. 
> 
> I'm asking for this because we, the IPMC, entrusted the mentors to guide the
> project to graduation. We should let them do that. 
> 
> When I see a thread that grows to this length in just a couple of days I
> know that it has degenerated into point scoring rather than meaningful
> discussion. We need to reset and let the mentors start the process again by
> summarizing their recommendation with appropriate justification that
> considers the feedback in this thread.
> 
> Now to the observation:
> 
> The "requirement" for diversity did not exist when the IPMC was created and
> I do not believe it should exist now. Over the years the IPMC has become a
> set of gatekeepers rather than a place for mentors to guide projects into
> the foundation. The IPMC was never meant to provide a quality control
> process - we have the Apache Way for that.
> 
> Our intent was, and I believe still should be, that graduating projects
> understand (among other things) what diversity means and how it is built in
> Apache projects. Only the mentors and active project community members can
> make this judgement.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ross
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konstantin Boudnik [mailto:cos@boudnik.org] 
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 6:27 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
> 
> Thanks for kicking off this discussion, Dmirtiy.
> 
> As one of the mentors I think this podling is ready to get graduated. The process of
"indocrInating" this group of people into the Apache Way was not always a walk in a park and
we had our share of heated discussions. But the fact that the community converged into the
ASF way of doing things and did it with open face makes me believe that the goal of the incubation
has been achieved. There's nothing for me as a mentor to help this podling with.
> 
> No, scratch that. One last thing I want to do. Here it is: before we submit this resolution
to the IPMC vote, let's remove the following paragraph:
> 
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation
of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
> 
> There's clearly no need to create any special bylaws unless the project needs to amend
the common and minimal set of ASF bylaws. Having more laws makes a project worst off not better.
Hence, I move to remove this clause completely.
> --
> Regards,
>   Cos
> 
> On July 20, 2015 4:36:48 PM PDT, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org> wrote:
> >Hello Apache Incubator,
> >
> >At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established 
> >consensus and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of 
> >proposing graduation to TLP.
> >
> >Vote thread:
> >http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apa
> >che-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
> >
> >Summary of the vote results:
> >+1 (non-binding) = 14
> >
> >   1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
> >   2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
> >   3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
> >   4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
> >   5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
> >   6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
> >   7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
> >   8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
> >   9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
> >   10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
> >   11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
> >   12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
> >   13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
> >   14. Milap Wadwa
> >
> >We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a consensus 
> >within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote.
> >
> >Below is our proposed resolution:
> >
> >Thank you
> >Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC)
> >
> >SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
> >
> >    WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >    interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >    Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >    Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >    open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> >    the public, related to the automated and managed flow of
> >    information between systems.
> >
> >    NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >    Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project",
> >    be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >    Foundation; and be it further
> >
> >    RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is
> >    responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> >    related to the automated and managed flow of information
> >    between systems and be it further
> >
> >    RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" be
> >    and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >    serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >    of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary responsibility
> >    for management of the projects within the scope of
> >    responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
> >
> >    RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >    hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >    Apache Ignite Project:
> >
> >    Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org)
> >    Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org)
> >    Branko Čibej (brane@apache.org)
> >    Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org)
> >    Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org)
> >    Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org)
> >    Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org)
> >    Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org)
> >    Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org)
> >    Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org)
> >    Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org)
> >    Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org)
> >    Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org)
> >    Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org)
> >    Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org)
> >    Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org)
> >    Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org)
> >    Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org)
> >    Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org)
> >    Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org)
> >    Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org)
> >    Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org)
> >
> >    NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
> >    Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice President,
> >    Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the
> >    direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> >    Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> >    disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
> >    and be it further
> >
> >    RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is
> >    tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >    encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >    Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
> >
> >    RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby
> >    is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >    Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
> >
> >    RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >    Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >    Project are hereafter discharged.
> 
> 
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