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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:19:35 GMT
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:08PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> Nitpicking time.
> 
> Your supposedly vendor-neutral web site says:
> "GridGain Community Edition is a binary build of Apache Ignite created
> by GridGain, which includes optional LGPL dependencies, such as
> Hibernate L2 cache integration and Geospatial Indexing. It benefits from
> continued testing by GridGain engineers and may contain latest bug fixes
> and features that will be included into the future official Apache
> Ignite releases."
> 
> - I consider this very biased towards a single company (especially
> considering it is the _only_ 3rd party listed, and you do _not_ specify
> how other 3rd parties may get listed on the page). You start off by
> saying you don't endorse it, and then you praise it - it's either or.
> 
> Your web site also lists the organizational affiliation of PMC members.
> While this may be useful internally in the ASF, I fail to see why this
> is mentioned on the web site. This should have no relevance to the
> project whatsoever.
> 
> You point to gridgain.org for several of your documentation segments,
> this is also not acceptable.
> 
> I would very much like to see this rectified before we get to an actual
> vote, or I will possibly be casting a -1.

Fair points! Thanks Daniel, I was sure these very fixed a while ago. 

As for the affiliation of the members: pretty much every other ASF project
does the same. Shall we make sure that established TLPs aren't doing this
either?

Regards,
    Cos

> 
> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 
> 
> On 07/21/2015 10:48 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > 
> > On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> >> Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
> > 
> > So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
> > major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
> > meritocratic community."?
> > 
> > I think not.
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >> What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
> >> understand how to make releases and are building community.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
> >>> nowhere.
> >>>
> >>> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman and
> >>> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of intended
> >>> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows to
> >>> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
> >>> regarding healthiness.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pierre Smits
> >>>
> >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> >>> Services and Retail & Trade
> >>> http://www.orrtiz.com
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list
for a
> >>>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back
in
> >>>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who
want
> >>>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is
> >>>> 73DB2E64-87D5-4DD5-91FB-403464895AC5@gbiv.com):
> >>>>
> >>>> [quote]
> >>>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF.  There is a behavior
> >>>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
> >>>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a
> >>>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
> >>>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
> >>>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
> >>>> and I have no cycles to spare.
> >>>>
> >>>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
> >>>> status impacts their ability to participate here.  IOW, it would
> >>>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
> >>>> [/quote]
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>   Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >>>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
> >>>>> (Gridgrain).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
> >>> independece?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pierre Smits
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
> >>>> amareshwari@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to
" the
> >>>> automated
> >>>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I dont see any such on project website -
> >>>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>> You might want to correct it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and  I'm wrong in understanding
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> description
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> Amareshwari
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community
established
> >>>>>>> consensus
> >>>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor
of proposing
> >>>>>>>> graduation to TLP.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vote thread:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Summary of the vote results:
> >>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>    12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
> >>>>>>>>    13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
> >>>>>>>>    14. Milap Wadwa
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to
establish a
> >>>> consensus
> >>>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate
a vote.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you
> >>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in
the best
> >>>>>>>>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with
the
> >>>>>>>>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>>>>>>>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
> >>>>>>>>     open-source software, for distribution at no charge
to
> >>>>>>>>     the public, related to the automated and managed
flow of
> >>>>>>>>     information between systems.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Should be:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
> >>>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing
and
> >>>> transacting
> >>>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time"
> >>>>>>  --------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>>>>>>>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite
Project",
> >>>>>>>>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws
of the
> >>>>>>>>     Foundation; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby is
> >>>>>>>>     responsible for the creation and maintenance of
software
> >>>>>>>>     related to the automated and managed flow of information
> >>>>>>>>     between systems and be it further
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
Ignite"
> >>> be
> >>>>>>>>     and hereby is created, the person holding such office
to
> >>>>>>>>     serve at the direction of the Board of Directors
as the chair
> >>>>>>>>     of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
> >>>> responsibility
> >>>>>>>>     for management of the projects within the scope
of
> >>>>>>>>     responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and
be it
> >>> further
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below
be and
> >>>>>>>>     hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members
of the
> >>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Branko Čibej (brane@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>     Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
> >>>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of
Vice
> >>> President,
> >>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject
to the
> >>>>>>>>     direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
of the
> >>>>>>>>     Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
removal or
> >>>>>>>>     disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
> >>>>>>>>     and be it further
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be
and hereby is
> >>>>>>>>     tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended
to
> >>>>>>>>     encourage open development and increased participation
in the
> >>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby
> >>>>>>>>     is tasked with the migration and rationalization
of the
> >>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to
the Apache
> >>>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache
Incubator
> >>>>>>>>     Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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