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From Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
Subject Re: June report prep
Date Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:21:02 GMT
I believe the podling community was interested to update the report,
however they were concerned about making changes after the cutoff
date. (didn't want to get into more process issues...)

I agree with Ted's reply about adding the additional detail he called
out in his response and moving forward.

Patrick

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:53 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> So, I hate to bring this up, but I think we're at a stalemate for the
> sentry podling for this month.  We tend to not include a podlings report if
> there are no mentor sign offs.  It seems like the mentors aren't inclined
> to sign off based on some of the issues that have popped up.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi David, you and Joe have been doing great, I'm afraid I've been
>> distracted with more issues at home/work than usual. I've been
>> concerned, and this is more serious than usual given the fact that
>> both the community and the oversight missed a serious issue, but given
>> the current feedback and the response (ongoing) from the community we
>> should be able to get things back on track.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:14 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> Ted can you give some concrete examples, because I see some good
>> feedback
>> >> along with folks attempting to address the feedback. Processes updated
>> or
>> >> re-iterated, etc... I haven't seen any comments like "stop the presses
>> >> till... is addressed" and that being ignored. More along the lines of an
>> >> issue being raised and the community immediately working to address it.
>> For
>> >> example most recently giving more time to construct the board report.
>> >>
>> >> Failing to cc general@ on the vote is a serious issue. That's part of
>> the
>> >> release process though, it's documented and been followed in previous
>> >> releases. Human error this time around afaict (along with the mentors,
>> >> myself included, who didn't notice it till later)
>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/How+to+Release
>> >>
>> >>> They seem oblivious to process issues
>> >>
>> >> Are there specific process issues that are missing and should hold up a
>> >> vote? I see alot of process related details on their wiki
>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home
>> >>
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Patrick,
>> >
>> > I agree with most of what you wrote. In many ways I'm worried that
>> > this is a failure on the part of mentors. Very early, this morning in
>> > Tokyo, it dawned on me that perhaps the mentors (esp. me) are part of
>> > the problem. This isn't the first time that issues have been called
>> > out with Sentry - and there does seem to be willingness to address
>> > issues on the part of the project. 'We keep saying $n is problematic'
>> > - and I worry (and am certainly guilty in my case) of assuming
>> > everyone largely 'gets it'. I've also not shown them specific concrete
>> > examples of some types of non-problematic behavior. By the time most
>> > folks become a member, or join the IPMC, the Apache way of doing
>> > things is second nature, and we don't always realize that it may be
>> > completely foreign to folks who haven't been doing it for as long.
>> >
>> > I've just sent a long email to dev@ to hopefully make this clearer,
>> > call out some examples, and hopefully generate a discussion on how we
>> > move forward.
>> >
>> > --David
>> >
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