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From Joe Witt <joe.w...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Date Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:05:06 GMT
I was hoping to see how things settle out through the rest of the day
and then kick off a vote tomorrow or Wednesday.  We had hoped that if
all goes well we'd be an option for the July meeting.  So, no rush I
think.

Thanks
Joe

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org> wrote:
> 72 hours is customary as minimum. That would miss the Board meeting this
> week.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
>> It sounds like we have consensus. Is there a minimum voting period? Any
>> chance we could get this through in time for the NiFi proposal to make the
>> Board meeting this week?
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On 14 June 2015 at 17:52, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The community agreed on what we posted originally.  Just trying to be
>> > > responsive to niclas concerns in the spirit of the discussion thread.
>> > >
>> > I was not suggesting otherwise.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I have forwarded the thread to our dev list which is where the
>> adjustment
>> > > to 'interactive' came from.  Should these minor rephrasings give pause
>> in
>> > > the nifi community we will pass that forward.
>> > >
>> > +1
>> > rgds
>> > jan i.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Jun 14, 2015 11:33 AM, "jan i" <jani@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi
>> > > >
>> > > > Sorry for top posting, I do understand why the resolution is being
>> > > changed,
>> > > > however it this
>> > > > really the correct place to do it. The community must be behind and
>> > > > agreeing to the resolution,
>> > > > so changes should in my opinion by discussed on your dev@ list.
>> > > >
>> > > > The IPMC should be presented with a resolution that the community
>> > agrees
>> > > > on.
>> > > >
>> > > > rgds
>> > > > jan i.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 14 June 2015 at 17:18, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Adjusted to clarify the 'realtime' reference which can be
>> misleading:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> > > > >     interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> > > > >     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> > > > >     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> > > > >     open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>> > > > >     the public, related to an automated and durable data broker
>> > > > >     between systems providing interactive command and control
>> > > > >     and detailed chain of custody for data.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> > > > >     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache NiFi Project",
>> > > > >     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> > > > >     Foundation; and be it further
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     RESOLVED, that the Apache NiFi Project be and hereby is
>> > > > >     responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> > > > >     related to an automated and durable data broker
>> > > > >     between systems providing interactive command and control
>> > > > >     and detailed chain of custody for data; and be it further
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     ...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Niclas Hedhman <
>> niclas@hedhman.org>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > It is less generic, but I think I am not in a position to
>> determine
>> > > > what
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > suitable. The community + mentors should be a better group
to
>> > discuss
>> > > > it.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> Niclas,
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I agree that the scope could be improved.  It is a tough
>> balancing
>> > > act
>> > > > > >> of course.  How would about this modification:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in
the best
>> > > > > >>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with
the
>> > > > > >>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> > > > > >>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
>> > > > > >>     open-source software, for distribution at no charge
to
>> > > > > >>     the public, related to an automated and durable
data broker
>> > > > > >>     between systems providing realtime command and control
>> > > > > >>     and detailed chain of custody for data.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> > > > > >>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache NiFi
Project",
>> > > > > >>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws
of the
>> > > > > >>     Foundation; and be it further
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>     RESOLVED, that the Apache NiFi Project be and hereby
is
>> > > > > >>     responsible for the creation and maintenance of
software
>> > > > > >>     related to an automated and durable data broker
>> > > > > >>     between systems providing realtime command and control
>> > > > > >>     and detailed chain of custody for data; and be it
further
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>     ...
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Thanks
>> > > > > >> Joe
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Niclas Hedhman <
>> > > niclas@hedhman.org>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > > >> > From the peanut gallery;
>> > > > > >> > Doesn't
>> > > > > >> >     "related to the automated and managed flow
of information
>> > > > between
>> > > > > >> > systems"
>> > > > > >> > apply to at least half of all software out there?
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > In other words, the scope is very wide, and could
include
>> > anything
>> > > > > from
>> > > > > >> > SNMP to Apache Mesos and much much more. I think
the Board
>> will
>> > be
>> > > > > >> happier
>> > > > > >> > with a somewhat more narrow definition.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Cheers
>> > > > > >> > Niclas
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:04 AM, jan i <jani@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >> thanks for the responses I will cast a +1 at
vote time.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> sorry for asking the questions, but I was insecure.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> rgds
>> > > > > >> >> jan i
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> On Friday, June 12, 2015, Benson Margulies
<
>> > > bimargulies@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> > Sean sure makes more sense than me.
>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > >> >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Joe
Witt <
>> > joe.witt@gmail.com
>> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > > > > >> >> > > Sean is one of those folks i referred
to.  Id be an easy
>> +1
>> > > > > >> >> > > On Jun 12, 2015 9:24 AM, "Andrew
Purtell" <
>> > > apurtell@apache.org
>> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > > > > >> >> > >
>> > > > > >> >> > >> As Sean says he's been engaged
with the project while
>> > acting
>> > > > as
>> > > > > >> >> mentor,
>> > > > > >> >> > >> IMHO beyond mentor-ly duties.
If the NiFi folks will
>> have
>> > > him
>> > > > on
>> > > > > >> the
>> > > > > >> >> > >> initial PMC and he's willing
to join it, this should
>> > resolve
>> > > > the
>> > > > > >> >> stated
>> > > > > >> >> > >> concerns.
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> > >> On Friday, June 12, 2015, Sean
Busbey <
>> > busbey@cloudera.com
>> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at
9:40 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;>
<javascript:;>
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > wrote:
>> > > > > >> >> > >> >
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015
at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey <
>> > > > > >> busbey@cloudera.com
>> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > <javascript:;>>
wrote:
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > ...I have no reason
to believe either my
>> engagement
>> > or
>> > > > the
>> > > > > >> >> PPMC's
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > willingness
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > to reach out to
or listen to what I have to say
>> will
>> > > > > change
>> > > > > >> upon
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > graduation, so
I don't think they need a checkbox
>> > ASF
>> > > > > member
>> > > > > >> on
>> > > > > >> >> > the
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > initial
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > PMC and I'd prefer
they not add one...
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > >
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > It's not about ticking
a checkbox - it's about an
>> ASF
>> > > > member
>> > > > > >> >> > agreeing
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > to stay with the project
to help here and there with
>> > > > things
>> > > > > >> where
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > members can help.
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > >
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > >
>> > > > > >> >> > >> >
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > Understood. I can't speak
for any other ASF member,
>> but
>> > > I'm
>> > > > > >> already
>> > > > > >> >> > >> there,
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > engaged, and planning to
stay. I don't need a binding
>> > PMC
>> > > > vote
>> > > > > >> to do
>> > > > > >> >> > >> that.
>> > > > > >> >> > >> >
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > --
>> > > > > >> >> > >> > Sean
>> > > > > >> >> > >> >
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> > >> --
>> > > > > >> >> > >> Best regards,
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> > >>    - Andy
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> > >> Problems worthy of attack prove
their worth by hitting
>> > > back. -
>> > > > > Piet
>> > > > > >> >> Hein
>> > > > > >> >> > >> (via Tom White)
>> > > > > >> >> > >>
>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > >
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>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> --
>> > > > > >> >> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > --
>> > > > > >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> > > > > >> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>> > > > > >>
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>> --
>> Sean
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
>    - Andy
>
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)

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