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From Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Date Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:47:11 GMT
72 hours is customary as minimum. That would miss the Board meeting this
week.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com> wrote:

> It sounds like we have consensus. Is there a minimum voting period? Any
> chance we could get this through in time for the NiFi proposal to make the
> Board meeting this week?
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:26 PM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 14 June 2015 at 17:52, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The community agreed on what we posted originally.  Just trying to be
> > > responsive to niclas concerns in the spirit of the discussion thread.
> > >
> > I was not suggesting otherwise.
> >
> > >
> > > I have forwarded the thread to our dev list which is where the
> adjustment
> > > to 'interactive' came from.  Should these minor rephrasings give pause
> in
> > > the nifi community we will pass that forward.
> > >
> > +1
> > rgds
> > jan i.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 14, 2015 11:33 AM, "jan i" <jani@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for top posting, I do understand why the resolution is being
> > > changed,
> > > > however it this
> > > > really the correct place to do it. The community must be behind and
> > > > agreeing to the resolution,
> > > > so changes should in my opinion by discussed on your dev@ list.
> > > >
> > > > The IPMC should be presented with a resolution that the community
> > agrees
> > > > on.
> > > >
> > > > rgds
> > > > jan i.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 14 June 2015 at 17:18, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Adjusted to clarify the 'realtime' reference which can be
> misleading:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > > > >     interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > > > >     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > > > >     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > > > >     open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> > > > >     the public, related to an automated and durable data broker
> > > > >     between systems providing interactive command and control
> > > > >     and detailed chain of custody for data.
> > > > >
> > > > >     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > > > >     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache NiFi Project",
> > > > >     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > > > >     Foundation; and be it further
> > > > >
> > > > >     RESOLVED, that the Apache NiFi Project be and hereby is
> > > > >     responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> > > > >     related to an automated and durable data broker
> > > > >     between systems providing interactive command and control
> > > > >     and detailed chain of custody for data; and be it further
> > > > >
> > > > >     ...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Niclas Hedhman <
> niclas@hedhman.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > It is less generic, but I think I am not in a position to
> determine
> > > > what
> > > > > is
> > > > > > suitable. The community + mentors should be a better group to
> > discuss
> > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Niclas,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I agree that the scope could be improved.  It is a tough
> balancing
> > > act
> > > > > >> of course.  How would about this modification:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the
best
> > > > > >>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > > > > >>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > > > > >>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
> > > > > >>     open-source software, for distribution at no charge
to
> > > > > >>     the public, related to an automated and durable data
broker
> > > > > >>     between systems providing realtime command and control
> > > > > >>     and detailed chain of custody for data.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > > > > >>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache NiFi Project",
> > > > > >>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > > > > >>     Foundation; and be it further
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     RESOLVED, that the Apache NiFi Project be and hereby
is
> > > > > >>     responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> > > > > >>     related to an automated and durable data broker
> > > > > >>     between systems providing realtime command and control
> > > > > >>     and detailed chain of custody for data; and be it further
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>     ...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks
> > > > > >> Joe
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Niclas Hedhman <
> > > niclas@hedhman.org>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > From the peanut gallery;
> > > > > >> > Doesn't
> > > > > >> >     "related to the automated and managed flow of information
> > > > between
> > > > > >> > systems"
> > > > > >> > apply to at least half of all software out there?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > In other words, the scope is very wide, and could include
> > anything
> > > > > from
> > > > > >> > SNMP to Apache Mesos and much much more. I think the
Board
> will
> > be
> > > > > >> happier
> > > > > >> > with a somewhat more narrow definition.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Cheers
> > > > > >> > Niclas
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:04 AM, jan i <jani@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> thanks for the responses I will cast a +1 at vote
time.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> sorry for asking the questions, but I was insecure.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> rgds
> > > > > >> >> jan i
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> On Friday, June 12, 2015, Benson Margulies <
> > > bimargulies@gmail.com>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Sean sure makes more sense than me.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Joe Witt
<
> > joe.witt@gmail.com
> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > Sean is one of those folks i referred
to.  Id be an easy
> +1
> > > > > >> >> > > On Jun 12, 2015 9:24 AM, "Andrew Purtell"
<
> > > apurtell@apache.org
> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> As Sean says he's been engaged with
the project while
> > acting
> > > > as
> > > > > >> >> mentor,
> > > > > >> >> > >> IMHO beyond mentor-ly duties. If
the NiFi folks will
> have
> > > him
> > > > on
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> >> > >> initial PMC and he's willing to join
it, this should
> > resolve
> > > > the
> > > > > >> >> stated
> > > > > >> >> > >> concerns.
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> On Friday, June 12, 2015, Sean Busbey
<
> > busbey@cloudera.com
> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:40
AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > > > > >> >> > >> > bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;>
<javascript:;>
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at
3:53 PM, Sean Busbey <
> > > > > >> busbey@cloudera.com
> > > > > >> >> > <javascript:;>
> > > > > >> >> > >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > ...I have no reason
to believe either my
> engagement
> > or
> > > > the
> > > > > >> >> PPMC's
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > willingness
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > to reach out to or
listen to what I have to say
> will
> > > > > change
> > > > > >> upon
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > graduation, so I don't
think they need a checkbox
> > ASF
> > > > > member
> > > > > >> on
> > > > > >> >> > the
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > initial
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > PMC and I'd prefer
they not add one...
> > > > > >> >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > It's not about ticking
a checkbox - it's about an
> ASF
> > > > member
> > > > > >> >> > agreeing
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > to stay with the project
to help here and there with
> > > > things
> > > > > >> where
> > > > > >> >> > >> > > members can help.
> > > > > >> >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> > Understood. I can't speak for
any other ASF member,
> but
> > > I'm
> > > > > >> already
> > > > > >> >> > >> there,
> > > > > >> >> > >> > engaged, and planning to stay.
I don't need a binding
> > PMC
> > > > vote
> > > > > >> to do
> > > > > >> >> > >> that.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> > --
> > > > > >> >> > >> > Sean
> > > > > >> >> > >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> --
> > > > > >> >> > >> Best regards,
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >>    - Andy
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> Problems worthy of attack prove their
worth by hitting
> > > back. -
> > > > > Piet
> > > > > >> >> Hein
> > > > > >> >> > >> (via Tom White)
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > >
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> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> --
> > > > > >> >> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > --
> > > > > >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > > > > >> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
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-- 
Best regards,

   - Andy

Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)

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