Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21AD418300 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5061 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2015 13:37:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 4874 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2015 13:37:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 4862 invoked by uid 99); 13 May 2015 13:37:45 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:37:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id CF3A5C0DF2 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:37:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.88 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.88 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-us-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iMI5yBSFOzrk for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by mx1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 4EF9E2051D for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igbyr2 with SMTP id yr2so138713918igb.0 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 06:36:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=YYawDrzkDtT1kEmmoFB7nLE3xS2+0OTJUnCpMRLg16w=; b=QUWX41qNTp0+3Ya2JdISmXEZnV5asa3/3h1MmqaDi4xtg7oTJOL7hTe5L7YC9JSXSs 1wtfYa7tnrMNIKuLGtBF6APSOpuwa47ly867ZtRNClWEZuJQ/En9YyG7bLITjpzrwL5t heqWSlcqSJ2AnlbGwA+l9H0ANvl0Rs8DhcCf88a6imVQigBH6hMJHcAlcSneUKf2O2BU UFHERLT7hEeZDqq2ofE3uy4PCvnTmcZGMGobElgCYeflXhMse3D6EToiji9jP8TB/0Ia gmZ0ZPoAyeK342J+WdvmiSaQgLBFdIvpaDb4s8YwPzBqUd+qnlm5UKxRuMiqE5jhqiXh 9KWA== X-Received: by 10.107.8.7 with SMTP id 7mr26531165ioi.87.1431524168627; Wed, 13 May 2015 06:36:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.176.210 with HTTP; Wed, 13 May 2015 06:35:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ted Dunning Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:35:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about Apache's voting procedures To: "general@incubator.apache.org" , Stefan Reich Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ecc448efccc0515f6b108 --001a113ecc448efccc0515f6b108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Votes are not the issue. Building community and building consensus in that community is the issue. To specifically answer your questions: It depends on the vote. For project technical issues, project committers are usually the voters. For project management issues, the voters are project management committee (PMC) members. Management issues include naming new committers and PMC members. Apache members are a separate class and they vote for new members and the board. All of this is documented on-line. The copyright owner is the Apache Software Foundation. If you are worried about power politics around your software, Apache is the wrong place to be. If you are interested in building up a community and giving up ownership to that community, Apache might be the right place for your work. But note, the software is not the central thing. The community is. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Stefan Reich < stefan.reich.maker.of.eye@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi again! > > I was silent because I am thinking... :) (Also I am making releases of my > software.) > > I am trying to understand Apache. > > It seems the voting processes are of big importance. I would like to know > who exactly gets to vote. All members of a mailing list? If yes, it seems > like an easily manipulatable process... > > Also, who is officially the copyright owner on the Apache products? Because > that is a tremendous power position it seems to me. > > All the best, > Stefan > --001a113ecc448efccc0515f6b108--