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X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: =?utf-8?Q?Louis_Su=C3=A1rez-Potts?= In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:35:40 -0400 Message-Id: <89A5AA10-9594-4480-9229-D4C2EF851706@gmail.com> References: To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2100) --Apple-Mail=_48AF232A-9C47-4E58-ADC4-1D4F80416DFF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 19 May 2015, at 08:18, Bertrand Delacretaz = wrote: >=20 > Hi Stefan, >=20 > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Stefan Reich > wrote: >> ...All you'd have to do is connect programmers to projects. Simple. = Why all >> the rules?.. >=20 > Out of curiosity, where did you find so many rules? >=20 > The http://incubator.apache.org/ are way too verbose in my opinion, > and often mix best practices with policy so I can understand that > those can give such an impression. Indeed. Are there drafts, if not the linked article below, to = reformulate that page and make it less intimidating? >=20 > Does reading our project maturity model [1] leave you with the same > "too many rules" impression? >=20 > -Bertrand >=20 > [1] = https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html= >=20 -louis --Apple-Mail=_48AF232A-9C47-4E58-ADC4-1D4F80416DFF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.27 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVW0o8AAoJEMbyrHkPMeDIpO4H/182pRTmsu0uqJrM3TGzBie7 yHHfwQQoZ6d+OEILwOMerkRDyG7H6JF3jUJWumIgH1s1ZWOqCn5gzzJ2xsnSwcLP Kf/ZfMATzacdvUYcI1yhaaIfifyTIs28NHRzGrEcsfDZ0vGo7i8Pstn86XFejWG4 MNn95hC23EJH5pDOxMSkLFchmEhaxXu+rUhgvUU45Uc+lHvwnJO3FvKPuko/spo2 fgHgL7lAmYRnmqmJFQWS4ozffc+4/73I8AnrnzS2lOWlRzirUoxGn6dXRh1Gooky CuWhdToAkUY4nft77z6OsVs0WoT9F3dtWwkp54/eIt/FJpAtf5Pgb+WatBsD/rE= =DlQF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_48AF232A-9C47-4E58-ADC4-1D4F80416DFF--