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From Stefan Reich <stefan.reich.maker.of....@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: JavaX
Date Mon, 11 May 2015 11:10:52 GMT
PS: I have another meeting about JavaX tonight in Germany actually -
Hamburg is moving, but slooooowly...

http://www.meetup.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Meetup/events/222326034/

All the best,
Stefan

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Stefan Reich <
stefan.reich.maker.of.eye@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Thanks for your answers :-)
>
> > Are you working alone on the project? Do you have any other contributors
> to
> the code base? Perhaps it might be a good seed for the new community?
>
> I am trying hard to find other contributors. There is a certain state of
> blockade it seems...
>
> Contributors, however, would include just people who program with JavaX.
> That is a very low hurdle (just requires knowledge of Java). I can do all
> the rest, including advancing the language.
>
> I am very fine with being the official person in charge within the
> incubated project, if that is possible.
>
> What I need to break through with the project, I think, is some more
> attention and maybe a bit of "endorsement". If JavaX is part of the Apache
> incubator, that could just be that kind of endorsement.
>
> Please tell me how to proceed! This is all like a bootstrapping process;
> taking the initial hurdle of building a user base. I have worked on this in
> various ways since at least 2011. It's quite a bit of work moving up from
> being a "nobody", but I think it can be done... :-)
>
> (PS: I read the slides about the ASF and I agree with almost everything.
> The only thing I'm not sure about is the voting process, like who exactly
> gets to vote and veto and so on. I've seen too many saboteurs in my days
> :-))
>
> All the best,
> Stefan
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:28PM, Stefan Reich wrote:
>> > Hi incubators! :-)
>> >
>> > I'd like to find a home for the "JavaX" project (
>> http://javax.tinybrain.de).
>> >
>> > JavaX is a super-extensible version of Java.
>> >
>> > It's probably the easiest way to extend any language existing right now.
>> > Translators for language extensions are collected in a central
>> repository
>> > for everyone to use.
>> >
>> > JavaX's current download is 18k (very compact), yet it does all I need
>> it
>> > to do thanks to the flexible translation architecture that downloads
>> > language extensions from the repository on the fly.
>> >
>> > (There is certainly stuff to add though, like support for Windows.)
>> >
>> > We also have a little user group in Hamburg (
>> > http://meetup.com/JavaX-User-Group/).
>> >
>> > If Apache is interested, I'd have the following offer: As far as I am
>> > concerned, Apache can proceed in any way the like. You can subject the
>> > language to an organisational process, install stewards, publish the
>> > language and so on. The stewards don't even have to be or include me.
>> :-)
>>
>> Do you want to come to the Apache and build a community of like-minded
>> people
>> to advance the project further? If so - the Incubator is the right place
>> to
>> start. If you simply want to donate the code: as Ted said Apache won't
>> simply
>> "take over" :)
>>
>> > The one thing I require is that I retain the right to do the same thing
>> -
>> > publish and talk about the language by myself, call my products JavaX
>> and
>> > so on.
>>
>> That's totally permitted under the ASL2.0 terms. There're some
>> restrictions on
>> how the Apache project names could be used, but that's pretty much all.
>> E.g.
>> you can make a project Bar that include Apache Foo and call it "Apache
>> Foo".
>> However, you can totally say Bar including (or powered by) Apache Foo.
>>
>> > So there might be a split, but I wouldn't even find that bad.
>> >
>> > If there is no split and we all collaborate - that is also acceptable. I
>> > don't know if I want to be an official part of the ASF or so... that is
>> why
>> > I propose that other way of you actually doing what you want.
>> >
>> > Of course I always like to advise, but as I said, you as a foundation
>> could
>> > even "grab" the whole language and call it yours. I am a very open
>> person.
>>
>> Are you working alone on the project? Do you have any other contributors
>> to
>> the code base? Perhaps it might be a good seed for the new community?
>>
>> Hope it helps a bit.
>>   Cos
>>
>> >
>> > Tell me if and how you'd all like to proceed :-)
>> >
>> > All the best,
>> > Stefan
>>
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