Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7154517EDC for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 79816 invoked by uid 500); 28 Apr 2015 02:05:54 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 79633 invoked by uid 500); 28 Apr 2015 02:05:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 79621 invoked by uid 99); 28 Apr 2015 02:05:54 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:05:54 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: message received from 54.76.25.247 which is an MX secondary for general@incubator.apache.org) Received: from [54.76.25.247] (HELO mx1-eu-west.apache.org) (54.76.25.247) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:05:25 +0000 Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 653FC21443 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgen6 with SMTP id n6so134837497wge.3 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:05:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xty7VD5oC3GoWPmPKk6pkKaDM0wUNyjUoN0OCVnBOPo=; b=DdFojOLOZYYmoqB3ekue4rLlcidOp2rpGldRsKovAAgNd8Gmlg+HGndK/n9DWPTVbJ YRrlCxmXVsHZCbC96nQx4g87JpLXwaawG40xR81h7dgFi4GVGC7ogkXUr1iItZk3WDmD ZZRyCf4VokwRo63xUiuZxQyxCD+xpmEgQVlN/9Ea2PtiwIrIbT5EA/A4+zQEsg8HOHt3 cHuWeRgX7nOD6LsloISRuNhOW41q3cYLKuGBr+VNOqmCjXGJkB2HNnwnc4SdHYoOekKf LiWWWgp6ia9GMiz1H6XCLyvRG4byXlYBd53XQe9voF31qffj57ru6cWpgSLSbMqSXqD9 G5Jw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.52.10 with SMTP id p10mr26642470wjo.98.1430186723944; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.172.40 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55393E13.7000305@intertwingly.net> <1430160341.2853000.259262577.07230F16@webmail.messagingengine.com> <553EC25B.2020005@rcbowen.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:05:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC From: Greg Stein To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bae4286a4af610514bf4bf0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --047d7bae4286a4af610514bf4bf0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote: > It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we absolutely > do not want to set. On the other hand, it's problematic (not to mention > simply ridiculous) if the foundation not being able to use Apache software > because we don't pay for development and might want to submit a patch > upstream. > > As long as all committers are equal and earn their merit in the > traditional way I don't see a problem from the projects side. IN this > instance the ASF is just another contributor to the project. > > This means "the foundation never pays for development" to something like > "the foundation never pays for development except where the modification is > made as part of our normal infrastructure operations. On these rare > occasions the foundation is just another employer and the contributor is > just another community member. Changes are contributed upstream through the > normal contribution process. There is no special role for ASF infra > contractors." > The ASF pays for Infra contractors. Their job/role is to maintain our systems. Sometimes their duty *may* be to contribute software to $Project (wherever that may be). That is *very* distinct from paying a person to contribute directly to $ASFProject. Cheers, -g --047d7bae4286a4af610514bf4bf0--